Flying further than LOS

[Cheech Wizard]

Ever driven 61+ in a 60 zone? Ever rolled through a stop sign? Yup, all are 100% illegal.

Personally, the principle of the law is so people can determine if there are any manned aircraft in the area of the drone (or other objects). If I'm 2000' out I can't see my drone. But I know where it is and I can see aircraft for miles in all directions. This past weekend I was flying at 1200' above me. I could not see my drone (nor did I look) but I was also 100' off a 1500' cliff. If the FAA wants to fine me, I'll need to pay the fine.

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Driving a car has NOTHING to do with a drone unless you have a flying car....Right?

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Not under hobby flight. Just your eyes with normal corrective lens if you wear them.

Are you telling me I can't have a friend with binoculars watching my drone right next to me when I am looking at a monitor? C'mon man.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Not under hobby flight. Just your eyes with normal corrective lens if you wear them.

Where did you get that from... you have to show me.

 

[Slim.slamma]

3 miles LOS easy https://www.walmart.com/ip/HD-Visio...Night-Vision-Glasses-Black-Tortoise/108650112
Day or Night

 

[msinger]

Where did you get that from... you have to show me.

The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018 states the following:

The aircraft is flown within the visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft or a visual observer co-located and in direct communication with the operator.

The visual line of sight part is very clear. Now we just need to figure out what the law thinks "co-located" means.

 

[ac0j]

Ever driven 61+ in a 60 zone? Ever rolled through a stop sign? Yup, all are 100% illegal.

Again with the speed limit comparison....... That one is getting tired......

Lets just go with this, IF you choose to break a law because it suits your hobby, or your mood, you do so willing to except the consequences and pay the price.
So whether it is a $50 (or so)speeding or stop sign ticket.
OR a $10,000 -$20,000 fine from the FAA. It is a choice one has to make for themselves.

 

[ac0j]

3 miles LOS easy https://www.walmart.com/ip/HD-Visio...Night-Vision-Glasses-Black-Tortoise/108650112
Day or Night

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Not in your line of sight. I call BS.
Make a video of you doing it. Without a phone or tablet running an app, and with the screen of the Remote control covered over with black tape so you cant see the distance, speed, altitude.
If you cant do that you must be a liar.
You can barely see a car at 3 miles away.

 

[Slim.slamma]

ake a video of you doing it. Without a phone or tablet running an app, and with the screen of the Remote control covered over with black tape so you cant see the distance, speed, altitude.

I’ll see what I can do for you

 

[tcope]

Driving a car has NOTHING to do with a drone unless you have a flying car....Right?

The statement I was replying to was that lots of people were flying illegally. So, my post has something to do with flying drones illegally and how it relates to driving illegally.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

The FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018 states the following:



The visual line of sight part is very clear. Now we just need to figure out what the law thinks "co-located" means.

OK, the first link is ludicrous, how many pages? The second link backs up what I said.

 

[msinger]

The second link backs up what I said.

Backs up what?

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Not in your line of sight. I call BS.
Make a video of you doing it. Without a phone or tablet running an app, and with the screen of the Remote control covered over with black tape so you cant see the distance, speed, altitude.
If you cant do that you must be a liar.
You can barely see a car at 3 miles away.

I can just barley see my black skinned drone 3/4 of a mile away. So set my limit at 1 mile to be cool.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

Backs up what?

It's your link. check it out.

 

[tcope]

Where did you get that from... you have to show me.

Did you even search for this information?

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf

By definition, a model aircraft must be “flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft.” P.L. 112-95, section 336(c)(2). 1 Based on the plain language of the statute, the FAA interprets this requirement to mean that: (1) the aircraft must be visible at all times to the operator; (2) that the operator must use his or her own natural vision (which includes vision corrected by standard eyeglasses or contact lenses) to observe the aircraft; and (3) people other than the operator may not be used in lieu of the operator for maintaining visual line of sight. Under the criteria above, visual line of sight would mean that the operator has an unobstructed view of the model aircraft. To ensure that the operator has the best view of the aircraft, the statutory requirement would preclude the use of vision-enhancing devices, such as binoculars, night vision goggles, powered vision magnifying devices, and goggles designed to provide a “first-person view” from the model. 2 Such devices would limit the operator’s field of view thereby reducing his or her ability to see-and-avoid other aircraft in the area. Additionally, some of these devices could dramatically increase the distance at which an operator could see the aircraft, rendering the statutory visual-line-of-sight requirements meaningless. Finally, based on the plain language of the statute, which says that aircraft must be “flown within the visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft,” an operator could not rely on another person to satisfy the visual line of sight requirement. See id. (emphasis added). While the statute would not preclude using an observer to augment the safety of the operation, the operator must be able to view the aircraft at all times.

 

[msinger]

It's your link. check it out.

You said it backs up what you said. I'm not sure what you mean... you've said a lot above.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

The statement I was replying to was that lots of people were flying illegally. So, my post has something to do with flying drones illegally and how it relates to driving illegally.

It has NOTHING to do with drones

 

[Cheech Wizard]

You said it backs up what you said. I'm not sure what you mean... you've said a lot above.

The first link is how many pages? It's up to you to copy and paste the info.. not me. We were talking about spotters right? Check your second link out.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

I’ll see View attachment 49411what I can do for you

That would be cool, I wanna see too.

 

[msinger]

We were talking about spotters right?

I'm lost. Sorry, but I'm not going to catch on if you keep answering my questions with unrelated questions.

 

[Bob in Savannah]

As long as I tell you I can see it, it’s a moot point. You’ll Never be able to say for sure it’s not los since my vision is better than yours.