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If i intend to fly from point a to point b (lets say it is a mile for argument sake) how is it best to travel there?

In wondering if it is best to fly slower in p mode and take longer to get there or is it best to fly in s mode and get there quicker?

Im guessing s mode is not as efficient on battery use as p mode but it gets there quicker this using up the batteries for less time. Hopefully you understand my question.

I'm basically asking what method used the least battery? What's the play off between battery usage, time taken to travel and speed?
 
Depends. Like driving a car, usually slower and steadier is far more efficient than faster and inefficient. However, against a strong headwind, you may lose ground flying in P mode and S mode may not have those same issues. Stick to straight lines, P mode, and lower altitudes (less wind) if flying against the wind. Straight lines, S mode, and lower altitudes (less wind) if flying against higher strength winds. Straight lines, P mode, and higher altitudes with the wind.
 
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Yeah. Also thought about the fact that s mode doesn't use certain systems like sensors etc which reduces battery usage.
 
You always have the option to turn them all off even in P mode, but I haven't seen any definitive work showing that these actually affect flight times.
 
It's likely the default RTH speed is fairly close to optimum.

Most likely any differences are going to be pretty small, going faster uses more fuel in a car because air resistance becomes disproportionately greater,not sure that applies to a small quadcopter with very little frontal area and props thrashing air anyway, but spinning props faster will drain battery quicker for sure.

It's interesting that maximum flight time is documented to be longer when moving smoothly than when just hovering.
 
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The Mavic (or any quad) is not an airplane, let alone a car. The bulk of the energy is used keeping it from falling out of the sky, not moving forward, so I would reason that going as fast as you can, regardless of the wind, would be the best plan.
 
The Mavic (or any quad) is not an airplane, let alone a car. The bulk of the energy is used keeping it from falling out of the sky, not moving forward, so I would reason that going as fast as you can, regardless of the wind, would be the best plan.

Speed affects both wind resistance and motor efficiency - both of which ultimately affect battery use. Yes, most of the energy is spent maintaining lift so unlike airplanes, speed doesn't affect lift (i.e. like a car), but it does have an effect on other components and their efficiency.
 
So traveling one mile with a Mavic at 5 mph (12 minutes) would be better than at 30 mph (2 min)?
 
No. The motors are better running at peak efficiency RPM (probably around where DJI puts the upper limit). It's a bell curve for efficiency, not a straight-line correlation.
 
No. The motors are better running at peak efficiency RPM (probably around where DJI puts the upper limit). It's a bell curve for efficiency, not a straight-line correlation.

So your saying peak efficiency is going as fast as the mavic can go?

I wonder if anyone knows the actual rpm/speed. Have we got any major nerds in here?
 
Well i am really enjoying this discussion guys, hope you are too? Anyone got any other good points or angles to look at this from? [emoji106][emoji3]
 
As fast as it can go in P mode probably (though no one has the lab results to confirm this). S mode allows you to go faster than P mode and likely is a trade off of efficiency for speed.
 
Speed does affect lift, in an airplane at least. Double the speed and you double the lift (more or less). But double the speed and you quadruple the drag.

That said, with an airplane the most fuel-efficient procedure is generally to use more power (go faster) into a headwind and less power (let the wind carry you) downwind.
 
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Here's the thing: at 0mph, 100% of the energy used is keeping it off the ground. The question we need an answer to is: at a given speed, what percentage of energy used is moving it forward? It won't be a perfect bell curve.
 
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With all these "wiz kid" answers, I wonder who will actually put it to the test in the real world and report back here with a definitive answer !!!
One of the experts? Not a newbie like me.
 
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The question we need an answer to is: at a given speed, what percentage of energy used is moving it forward? It won't be a perfect bell curve.

No. But it will resemble one. Aircraft produce lift through forward movement. However, MPs only produce lift through their fan blades turning. As you note, at a hover, no forward momentum is being generated, so 100% of the energy is being used to keep the craft aloft. However, due to the need for the Mavic to self-correct and maintain position, this isn't terribly efficient, as the motors must speed up/slow down to compensate for positional changes. This makes hovering pretty inefficient and likely why battery use during a hover appears anecdotally to use up more battery than does directional flying. These correctional changes don't really happen much when the Mavic is moving forward, as there's no need to maintain a precise position and therefore motors can spin at constant RPMs (efficient).

However, for the MP to move forward (or any quadcopter), it must tilt its body to gain an angle of attack difference and lower the front motors while raising the back motors. Faster forward speeds require a higher angle of attack. As the angle increases, the speed can increase (since more of the motor speed can be used to move the aircraft forward) but this also increases the drag placed on the craft, since the forward face of the craft displays more surface area when tilted. (There's also a number of issues with airflow and motors but that's not critical for our discussion). It also requires more fan blade/motor speed, because unlike airplanes, none of the forward motion can really be turned into lift (in fact, only drag). At higher motor speeds, the motors lose efficiency (energy consumption-wise) and drag is also increasing. At that point, the energy efficiency goes down and the aircraft travels less distance.

Where this precise point is, only DJI engineers know for sure, as the rest is only conjecture and anecdotal experience from users. However, since DJI has the motivation to maximize both speed and "time aloft", I'm making an assumption that they've figured it out and when they market their "27-30 minutes of flight time", they're talking about P mode, not Sports mode. There are likely 2 reasons behind having separate P modes and S modes for the Mavic. One is related to sensor functions (too fast and you can't stop in time for object avoidance, for example) and the second is likely to maximize flight times while allowing those wishing to speed along, get their thrills too by switching to Sports mode. Otherwise, why have separate modes?

DJI engineers probably figure that most people flying the craft in either mode likely peg the thrust (right stick) to maximum when moving forward over distance and therefore cap the top speed for P mode at this maximum efficiency. Anyone switching to Sports mode can go faster but with the understanding that they're sacrificing time aloft for the higher speeds. I'm assuming S mode is limited too, based on the need to keep motor RPMs at a manageable and non-destructive rate. Again, this is all only a guess but from an engineering perspective, it's an educated guess.

Feel free to fly however you want. I'm just presenting my opinion to answer a question that the OP had about the most efficient way to fly.
 
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With all these "wiz kid" answers, I wonder who will actually put it to the test in the real world and report back here with a definitive answer !!!
One of the experts? Not a newbie like me.

We're not likely to find out as the difference between two "identical" flights is going to be greater than the difference we would see from the variable speeds. Two different batteries, different ephemeral wind speeds/changes, and a million other things will likely affect the efficiency more and swamp any effect we would see through the speed changes. For that, you need a wind tunnel and precision testing equipment - something that only a few real nerds have access to (maybe DJI does, who knows). Anything else is only going to be anecdotal in nature and meaningless.
 
We're not likely to find out as the difference between two "identical" flights is going to be greater than the difference we would see from the variable speeds. Two different batteries, different ephemeral wind speeds/changes, and a million other things will likely affect the efficiency more and swamp any effect we would see through the speed changes. For that, you need a wind tunnel and precision testing equipment - something that only a few real nerds have access to (maybe DJI does, who knows). Anything else is only going to be anecdotal in nature and meaningless.
OK, I take your point. So I'll enjoy the continuing discussion
 
The OP was asking about be best way to get from point a to b. Not to maximize flight time. Two different scenarios.
 
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