It just makes it easier for them. Why separate the two hobbies when you can just base the two at the same place, after all the AMA fields are ready to go as far as safety goes and My planes have to have RID also BUT We will see
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Why such a gloomy attitude?Sooner than later unless you are a Part 107 pilot with some sort of paperwork, Your choices of flying areas are going to start shrinking smaller and smaller until we all meet at the Fria or AMA airfield for our weekly flying.
Unfortunately this is moreconfusionBS from the FAA where you probably need to comply or risk major violations. I am a recreational flyer and currently I declare the AMA as the CBO that I follow. I never fly at AMA events but I feel I have to follow the AMA guidelines regardless where and when I fly recreationally. The FAA requires you to declare your allegiance to a CBO and follow their rules else the FAA will revoke your recreational exemption which will put you in serious jeopardy since you won't be able to follow part 107.
I would like the same even if it means two sets of [separate] rules. As a recreational pilot, I would much prefer to adhere to CBO guidelines rather than part 107. The problem is it's given as an exception.The FAA doesn't "revoke" your Recreational Exemption. That's not how this works.
All US Civil UAS Operators are, by default, operating under Part 107.
If you just fly willy-nilly, don't take (and agree to) the TRUST, and/or you don't follow every-single-aspect of 49, US Code ~44809 (The Exception for limited Recreational Operations of Unmanned Aircraft) then you are flying under Part 107 regardless if your rating. So if you're flying around and violate any section of ~44809, you are 100% legally liable for every aspect of Part 107.
I don't understand the "Rub" with the FAA requiring you to follow/adhere to a specific set of CBO is such a bad thing. TBH I think Part 107 should be the "Drone Law of the Land" for recreational operations up to a certain level/complexity of UAS and then have higher and more stringent levels from there on up.
~44809 merely states (in the context of this thread):
The aircraft is operated in accordance with or within the programming of a community-based organization’s set of safety guidelines that are developed in coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration.
If you don't like the current offerings of CBO guidelines, then by all means form your own set and get them approved with the FAA. There are, as of 12/7/2023 a total of (4) FAA Recognized CBO's. This means that (3) other entities felt like you do and actually did something about it.
The CBO guidelines requirement is part of the 44809 regulations that allow recreational pilots to be exempted from the full Part 107 regulations. It has no bearing on Part 107 pilots flying under Part 107 rules.Drones are specifically excluded from the few AMA fields any where near where I live ...no reason to join them....
So..if you have 107 do you have to follow CBO rules.....or since you would have the 107 Cert to lose, does the FAA consider being 107 Certified to be an exemption to following CBO rules?
Yes, 44809 is an exception to the Part 107 rules that you don't care for. 44809 allows the recreational pilot to be completely free of the extensive regulations in Part 107 if they adhere to that simple set of regulations.As a recreational pilot, I would much prefer to adhere to CBO guidelines rather than part 107. The problem is it's given as an exception.
Recreational pilots do have their own set of rules. Here's they are, from the Congressional Record.If recreational flyers had our own rules then we can pay the price for breaking our own rules, big or small.
Everyone will tell you that the recreational flyer must abide by the freely available CBO guidelines (and it's true) but no one (except me) will tell you what could happen to you if you don't. Millions of recreational flyers don't even know what could happen to them.Drones are specifically excluded from the few AMA fields any where near where I live ...no reason to join them....
So..if you have 107 do you have to follow CBO rules.....or since you would have the 107 Cert to lose, does the FAA consider being 107 Certified to be an exemption to following CBO rules?
Agreed. 44809 is an exception but it's not that I don't care for part 107 rules (most of them are fair), I just think they are meant (or should be) for commercial pilots (not hobby pilots) but it's not about what I care or care not for.....again, it's not about me or what I care about.Yes, 44809 is an exception to the Part 107 rules that you don't care for.
I've already explained the issue with it being an exception rather than it's own set of rules. The ordinary DL is not an exception to a CDL....for good reason. But you call my example a fantasy.What's the issue with it being an exception?
All drone operations, all the time, in the US are subject to Part 107 rules.
Ok, that's about all for know; I think I've said as much as I know about the topic.
The CBO guidelines requirement is part of the 44809 regulations that allow recreational pilots to be exempted from the full Part 107 regulations. It has no bearing on Part 107 pilots flying under Part 107 rules.
Again, as a recreational pilot, you do not have to join a CBO. You simply have to fly by their guidelines, which are freely available.
Because We in the RC hobby have seen this before.Why such a gloomy attitude?
You don't live in North Korea.
There's no indication any of this would ever happen.
STEM +C works in conjunction with --The AMA.Non AMA CBO: STEM+C CBO – STEM + C
Correct. If we're flying a 107 flight, as a commercial pilot -CBO guidelines have no bearing on what I do. We simply adhere strictly to the 107 regulations for the entirety of that flight.OK...so a guy who is new to the hobby, goes and gets a sub 250 gram drone ...gets his TRUST cert and goes flying SHOULD have found a CBO of his liking and be familiar with and able to repeat their rules....However, if you have your 107 Cert.....it is not necessary to have that CBO connection?
From 44809:OK...so a guy who is new to the hobby, goes and gets a sub 250 gram drone ...gets his TRUST cert and goes flying SHOULD have found a CBO of his liking and be familiar with and able to repeat their rules....However, if you have your 107 Cert.....it is not necessary to have that CBO connection? ( not a member, but knowledge of their rules)
You need to lighten up and stop catastrophising.Without RID on a drone over 250g you must fly at a F.R.I.A. Where do you suppose they will locate this F.R.I.A.?
Who knew catastrophizing was a word? I like it.You need to lighten up and stop catastrophising.
The FAA aren't going to do anything like you are imagining.
You don't seem to realise that DJI drones made in the last 5 years have RID and seperate DID devices are available if you are flying something older?
When I started this I didn't know it would open a can of worms... but from what I read, IF we fly as recreational flyers then we just claim any of the 4 or so CBOs. I won't claim the AMA because I'm not too fond of the no-flying over houses or no-flying where we might be considered a nuisance for noise. I understand that the "gassers" are very loud and most of the AMA rules are designed for their AMA fields and probably not meant for flying in your backyard. So I won't worry about it too much because I never take off for non-commercial purposes (photographer/artist) But if I do I will have to consider this.
Thank you everyone for the points of view...