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CoG and CoD ( center of drag ), has anyone got a way of determing these in 3D, if so what are they ? Thanks.

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BTW with regards to drag, my interest is primarily concerned with an unpowered vertical fall. I.e. the likely consequence of a mid air motor stop at height.

With regards to CoG, I know that I can suspend the drone by a 'corner' and then suspend a plumb line such that it passes through the point of the drone's suspension and repeat that using the next or all corners but the shape of the drone means that that gives the CoG in 2D not 3D.
I have no idea concerning CoD.
 
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what the info is for I was curious.
 
what the info is for I was curious.
To assess the chances of a Mini 1 remaining level enough, during an attempted mid-air-motor-stop-and-restart, to permit the restart.
My experiments, with a severely wobbled, hand-held Mini 1, suggest that if the tilt is too great the drone will refuse to restart its motors.

If, during the free fall, the CoD is above the CoG then the CoD & CoG will work together to keep the drone 'level' and therefore increase the chances of a second CSC restarting the motors. BUT NOTE, the closer the two are, in height, the lesser their restoring couple which means that the wobble is likely to be greater.
It's similar to the CoG and Centre of Bouyancy working together to restore a rolled ship to the upright.

If the CoD is below the COG then the two would work together to flip the drone upside down.
 
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There is also the Moron setting to consider. If it is set low enough the drone won't start at even a slight tilt. Because DJI is a closed system I have no idea what they set the Drones at. If you could change that setting to 360 then the drone would start in any config.
 
There is also the Moron setting to consider. If it is set low enough the drone won't start at even a slight tilt. Because DJI is a closed system I have no idea what they set the Drones at. If you could change that setting to 360 then the drone would start in any config.
Certainly idiots exist lol.

I suspect your suggestion is only true where the drone is too low for there to be NOT enough time to apply a second 'motor restart' CSC.
With the recent DJI models I think the CSC takes between 1.5 and 1.7 seconds to work and during that time the drone's descent is governed by the maximum descent rate of the drone's flight mode.
Once the motors have stopped the drone will, fairly quickly, accelerate to terminal velocity but that acceleration will, at most, be approx 9.8m/s/s.
Given that I suspect that the terminal velocity of a mini 1 will be between 14 and 16m/s its going to be more than 1.5seconds before the drone reaches terminal velocity.
As soon as the drone is seen to start falling, the motor stopping CSC can be released. Personally I would allow perhaps 1 sec before applying the motor starting CSC.
Providing tilt angles are 'acceptable' I think the drone will restart the motors almost instantly.

Then comes the next big question, will the motors restart at idle or is the drone 'clever' enough to realise it is falling and AUTOMATICALLY go to full throttle. I have no idea what the Mini 1 will do in this respect so I would be inclined to go straight from a a successful restart CSC to full throttle without waiting to see how the drone behaves.
Obviously the length of time that Max RPM takes to halt the fall depends on how fast the drone is falling, that assumes the attempt doesn't break the props.
I don't know how long that would take so I will guess.

From a log I have seen, it took around 3.75 seconds of full throttle to halt the fall of a P3 that was initially falling at 47ft/s, 14.3m/s.

Let's roughly crunch some numbers, though @sar104 would be MUCH better at this than me especially where drag enters the calculations, I ignore drag in mine.

I would use C mode, since it results in the least angles of tilt and speeds.

1.7s of full speed descent would result in 1.7m of descent. A slight over exaggeration.

1 second of gap between the CSCs and application of full throttle would result in, I think, a descent of approx 4m ( this assumes a constant acc of 9,8m/s but given the 'end speed' is possibly a bit excessive ) and the resulting descent speed would be approx 10.8 m/s but more likley less since I think drag would become a factor at the speeds reached.

Let's say the decceleration takes 3 second ( which is, I think an over exaggeration ) and ( incorrectly ) that the average descent rate is 10.8m/s.
I get a "worst case" fall of 38.1m, 125ft.

Personally I wouldn't start an attempt at under 200ft and, because of wobble concerns, would be more likely to start at 400ft.
 
The "Moron Setting" that's the name of it. It is set and controlled in the firmware and tells the drone at what degree of tilt to start the motors IT is why if you place certain Drones on to much of an angle they won't start. My Non DJI fpv Drones are set to start in any attitude. (watch your fingers! lol). If your DJI comes to an angle beyond the Moron setting as it falls it won't start. I do not know what that setting is for DJI Drones.
Ahh I did not get that meaning from post 6 but I am aware of the tilt window.

With regards to "I do not know what that setting is for DJI Drones."
I can think of one reason.
If I start my mini 1 and 2, and probably the Mavic 2s, on a tilted surface and then throttle up, they first level themselves and then take off.
If the props are low on the drone and the slope tilt is excessive, the leveling can result in one or more props striking the ground.
I have certainly seen that with the mini 1 & 2 and might have seen it with the Mavic 2s.
However the "tilt window" boundaries of all those drones are far greater than the tilts needed to bring the rear blades of those drones into ground strike when the drone is nose-down-the-slope.
 
I would think that the Pids for the throttle are set to low for it to work BUT maybe if you tuned your gain and expo to super sensetive it may try. If a Drone is beyond its moron setting it wont even try to start its also the reason you can stop your motors in your hand by tilting the drone.
 
I would think that the Pids for the throttle are set to low for it to work
If I understand you correctly I don't think it is anything to do with PIDs.
Outdoors I go from 0 throttle neutral throttle to full throttle in a small fraction of a second and the above tilted drones first level up then lauch despite being on full throttle. The logs show a near vertical increase in throttle command.
A qualification to that, if I hand lauch a Mini 1or 2 I sometimes hold the drone until the props are going at full speed, if my hand is tilted when I release the drone it doesn't level up but 'leaps' into the air, at a tilt.
It therefore moves horizontally, I think the largest distance seen has been in excess of 1m and indoors that can be scary
If a Drone is beyond its moron setting it wont even try to start its also the reason you can stop your motors in your hand by tilting the drone.
I was and am aware of that but thanks.
 
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