Drone banning..Will it happen?
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I uh, think you missed the whole point. I am highly suspect of most gun laws, especially ones like the UK have that disarm legitimate citizens.
Max Headroom
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I am highly suspicious of anyone who thinks allowing citizens to be armed just because they can be is a better option than not, you can own a gun here but you have to have a very good reason, "because everyone else is allowed one" doesn't wash here and rightfully so.
First off, thanks for denigrating the home of over 350 million people by refusing to capitalize the name of their country.
The sentence you posted is misleading and inaccurate (no pun intended). How many among those 42,654 deaths were cases of self-defense? How many were by police officers doing their job? How many were accidents? How many were suicides? While you may wish to live as subjects, ie, sheeple to your government, I prefer that I retain my right to protect myself and those around me and that my government fear me instead of the other way around. And my forefathers felt so strongly about those very items that they made it a right by way of our constitution. Here's a tidbit for your edification: Did you know that during WWII, England was afraid of invasion and asked America for help. In response, Americans send thousands of their own firearms over for England's home guard, asking nothing in return. Speaking of return, do you know how many of those weapons were returned? ZERO.
Have you missed the part of the war in Ukraine? Did you know that was happening?
Drone warfare is real. To think that the “elephant in the room” in regards to a possible Chinese drone ban is crony corporatism is ludicrous.
Ok, Skydio testifies. Where is the money? Where is the product that Skydio is wanting to sell us but they can not because of cost? Where is the comparative drone they are offering?
Maybe, just maybe, there is an another reason than crony corporatism.
Edit. Do you really think that Skydio has the financial backing to successfully lobby US Congress into banning all Chinese (esp DJI) drones? Skydio with 1/15th the valuation of DJI. And that DJI can not do the same?
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Max Headroom
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I didn't refuse, it was a typo
I wondered how long it would be before you spouted that old chestnut, knife crime is becoming a big problem in our country when asked why these teenagers are carrying knives they all say the same It's to protect themselves, we are trying to stop them carrying knives to stop these pointless deaths using your analogy it would be better if our government told everyone to carry a knife just in case.
What are you protecting yourself from, oh that'll be the other guy with a gun! (see the pattern here)
In the last ten years, there have been 14 mass shootings in the U.K. your total is 5,279 and 97 already for this year alone, i am glad we are not allowed to own guns here without a very good reason and the feeling you need to "protect yourself" is not one, i think you will find the logic behind that reason proves who the sheeple really are
U.K. figures - List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
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??? Sorry, I can't see the relevance ... you've lost me there.
Did you watch the second video?
It demonstrates how effective Skydio's lobbying has been.
What Skydio can do that DJI can't, is appeal to the patriotic congress crazies.
Actually, it would be to protect myself from just about anyone. At 75, I am no longer the bad boy I used to be and am considered an easy target by many lowlifes. As to "old chestnut" of my right to defend myself, being old doesn't make it wrong. During my working career, I represented over 125,000 people, not all of whom were happy. Some went so far as to offer to end my life, rather viciously. If my life is suddenly threatened, I have much more faith in 9mm than I do 911. How many wealthy people in England have access to armed security? Why is their life any more important than yours? In my case, I am my own armed security and shall remain so until I pass on.
I also noted you ignored the rest of my message. Nevertheless, after England outlaws' knives, then baseball bats, forks, spoons, slingshots, screwdrivers, letter openers, scissors pencils (que John Wick) and pens, I want to watch you eating your yogurt with your fingers.
The problem in America isn't the guns, it's the fact that society here (as is the case in GB and other places as well) are raising kids that do not respect others or their property and have little if any values. Removing guns isn't removing the cause, it's simply treating the symptom instead of the problem. Like giving someone with a headache an aspirin when in fact they have brain cancer.
Max Headroom
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Why are you so paranoid about being attacked, is this the norm in America you dare not leave the house without your gun "just In case" someone attacks you?
What has wealthy people having armed security got to so with anything, not that i know of any that do.
We are discussing your view that the UK people are somehow being put in danger by our government because they won't let us carry weapons, you won't find many people here who would want to carry weapons the stats below from my earlier post show the dangers of letting people own guns 14 deaths in 10 years here compared to 5,279 in America and that's just the stats from mass shootings the true figure must be hundreds of thousands
You couldn't make this up, are you trying to tell us gun crime is only a recent problem, and it's due to families not bringing their kids up properly but back in the day when kids were brought up to respect their fellow Americans gun crime wasn't an issue?
As it says below - in 1993 the figure was 8.4 firearm homicides per 100,000 persons which dipped to 4.0 per 100,000 by 2014 it had risen to 7.3 per 100,000 by 2021 but that's still less than in 1993!
This would suggest using your analogy that kids in the 90's had as little respect for their fellow Americans as kids today, but after the turn of the century you all showed more respect for one another for some reason and over the next 14 years decided not to attack each other as often.
Highlights
- The rate of nonfatal firearm violence for persons age 12 or older declined 72% from 1993 to 2023, dropping from 7.3 to 2.0 victimizations per 1,000 persons, and varied from 1.2 to 2.3 per 1,000 during 2019 to 2023.
- About 64% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported to police during 2018–2022.
- The firearm homicide rate among persons age 12 or older fluctuated between 1993 and 2023, with a decline from 1993 to 2014 (from 8.4 to 4.0 homicides per 100,000 persons age 12 or older) before rising to 7.3 per 100,000 in 2021.
- From 2018 to 2022, on average, 80% of homicides were committed with a firearm.
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Yes, I'm so paranoid that not only am I often armed, but in my truck I also carry a first aid kit, tools, jumper cables, a jack, air compressor, road flares, a flash light and a knife. It's called being prepared.
Going back to 93 isn't nearly enough. When I was raised, we were taught to respect people, especially our elders. Maybe you read books about it. We did stuff carry old ladies groceries, help them find things, even cut their grass and shovel their snow. This one is really going to mess up your mind: we even took guns to school! Boys who were going hunting after class left them in their cars. I took one in to speech class to give a speech on guns and gun safety. Oh, and every boy (and some girls) had pocket knives! The carnage was horrid! Strike that, as there was no carnage.
So what has changed since the days of my youth? Not the guns. Rifles were available back then that took large capacity magazines - in fact you could buy them via mail order as government surplus. The same is true of pistols. The Browning Hi-Power, with it's 13 round capacity magazine was designed in the 30's. Yet outside of gangsters, it was very seldom to hear of a mass shooting incident. Enter generations of people who aren't taught accountability or respect. Can't read or write? That's OK, you graduated. You didn't win the race? No, everyone wins the race - here's your participation trophy.
A gun is a piece of metal, plastic, wood, etc. It has no brain, no ability to do anything without human intervention. A gun doesn't pick itself up, aim at something and shoot it. Yet people like you blame the gun instead of the idiot using it. It's like blaming the rock that killed Goliath.
Going back to 93 isn't nearly enough. When I was raised, we were taught to respect people, especially our elders. Maybe you read books about it. We did stuff carry old ladies groceries, help them find things, even cut their grass and shovel their snow. This one is really going to mess up your mind: we even took guns to school! Boys who were going hunting after class left them in their cars. I took one in to speech class to give a speech on guns and gun safety. Oh, and every boy (and some girls) had pocket knives! The carnage was horrid! Strike that, as there was no carnage.
So what has changed since the days of my youth? Not the guns. Rifles were available back then that took large capacity magazines - in fact you could buy them via mail order as government surplus. The same is true of pistols. The Browning Hi-Power, with it's 13 round capacity magazine was designed in the 30's. Yet outside of gangsters, it was very seldom to hear of a mass shooting incident. Enter generations of people who aren't taught accountability or respect. Can't read or write? That's OK, you graduated. You didn't win the race? No, everyone wins the race - here's your participation trophy.
A gun is a piece of metal, plastic, wood, etc. It has no brain, no ability to do anything without human intervention. A gun doesn't pick itself up, aim at something and shoot it. Yet people like you blame the gun instead of the idiot using it. It's like blaming the rock that killed Goliath.
Max Headroom
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You made out lack of respect is a recent thing due to parents not giving a **** i proved that was wrong there was more gun crime back in 1993 than today.
Again you miss the point, in the UK you can only own a gun if you have a very good reason to want one and you have to go through police checks etc to get a licence that is why the stats state in the last ten years there has only been 14 mass shootings in the U.K. and why in America that is 5,279, you say the guns are not the problem the idiots who shoot them are I say if America had the same rules as the U.K. the idiots would not have the guns to shoot their fellow countrymen in the first place!
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Max Headroom
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While i am not suggesting some criminals here don't use guns the country isn't awash with guns due to the checks i mentioned earlier, we rarely hear reports of guns being used in crime in this country in fact I cannot remember the last shooting here.
According to the stats below 20 of the 50 people who are killed each day by a gun in America are murdered, that means 30 a day are not ask yourself this question if guns were not so readily available would 50 Americans lose their lives every day?
Wow, 50 a day huh? And that upsets you, obviously. Here's some more fun facts. 170,000 people die from alcohol in the US each year. They out lawed and a bunch of people got rich selling alcohol. Well, that didn't work out so well, did it. 36,000 Americans die each year in traffic accidents. That's 98.6 per day. Darn cars! A staggering 250,000 death occur each year (685 per day since we seem to be interested in daily figures) as a result of medical malpractice. Modern medicine indeed! In all, 3,091,000 Americans die each year. Taking your figures from above, murders account for .0017% of deaths in the US. And consider this: How many of those murders would have taken place even if guns weren't available?
By comparison, an estimated 400,000 people starve to death in Africa each year. Are you as fervent about getting them food as you are about taking away my firearms?
By comparison, an estimated 400,000 people starve to death in Africa each year. Are you as fervent about getting them food as you are about taking away my firearms?
Big 2nd amendment supporter here (obviously) but I'm not going to touch this one; not even close. Our friends across the pond have no idea.
AMann
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Oh, sorry, I thought this was about banners for drones. Wrong room! 
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Not getting into a gun or political argument ( no winners either side) but I worked 40+ years in Mental Health, the vast majority in Crisis teams.
Saw all sides of aggressive verbal and physical violence.
On only two occasions was a firearm shown, one to hand in a rifle with belt of ammo, the other was a verbal threat to shoot me with no firearm visible.
Yes any object can be used as a weapon but the lack
of easily obtained weapons of mass casualties suggests at least one avenue is a dead end (pun) intended.
I can see this thread being locked soon.
Saw all sides of aggressive verbal and physical violence.
On only two occasions was a firearm shown, one to hand in a rifle with belt of ammo, the other was a verbal threat to shoot me with no firearm visible.
Yes any object can be used as a weapon but the lack
of easily obtained weapons of mass casualties suggests at least one avenue is a dead end (pun) intended.
I can see this thread being locked soon.
Max Headroom
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Nothing you can say on this subject would upset me but did find your comments about our government being wrong for not allowing us all to carry guns and that Brits are sheep for not arguing that we need to carry them a little irritating.
As I proved in the stats I posted we do not need to carry guns no one wants to carry guns the only reason to carry a gun is to stop yourself being killed by another person carrying a gun that is not an issue here, did you know most of our police are not armed?
As for the rest of your stats - we have to drive how else would we get about having said that 20 drivers a day do not get behind the wheel with the sole intention of murdering someone with their car they are called accidents for a reason, we don't have to drink alcohol many do and it's called personal choice, the 20 people that are murdered every day by guns in America don't have that choice!
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1gratedulflyingdawg
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Would like to hear more on the status of ban on drones. Thinking about getting one for recreational use.
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