Drones "Spying" on New Jersey.

[Chip]

i see them every night they come from there launch spot 2 miles away at some poultry houses secluded on private property to many to count now all moving at a snails pace ...3 yrs i have been watching them cross our farm. i cant even fly my drone at sunset or after they jam my signal sending it orff adrift with no contact from controller or gps just last night i lost a mavic pro any one with some good night camera equipment i can blow you away come show america whats really going on i will donate the time and guarantee all the proof you need launch areas landing areas etc i wish someone could put enough heat on these snooping pests to rid them of my night skys smh

Good evening, I was wondering what was going on. Do you have the address of the property where you have seen the drones take off from? You live in a very small town, do you know the property owner? If not, do you know how to confirm property ownership online? If not, send me the address in a private forum email and I will do it for you. One more question, how well do you know the county sheriff? If the drones are in fact crossing over your farm then the land owner and the drone operator may be violating NC law which gives rise to potential criminal and civil liability. That allows you to bring all kinds of heat.

 

[Meta4]

If the drones are in fact crossing over your farm then the land owner and the drone operator may be violating NC law which gives rise to potential criminal and civil liability. That allows you to bring all kinds of heat.

Does this sound like a case of real drones flown by real people to you?

to many to count now all moving at a snails pace ...3 yrs i have been watching them cross our farm. i cant even fly my drone at sunset or after they jam my signal sending it orff adrift with no contact from controller or gps ... i wish someone could put enough heat on these snooping pests to rid them of my night skys​

 

[hank970]

Good evening, I was wondering what was going on. Do you have the address of the property where you have seen the drones take off from? You live in a very small town, do you know the property owner? If not, do you know how to confirm property ownership online? If not, send me the address in a private forum email and I will do it for you. One more question, how well do you know the county sheriff? If the drones are in fact crossing over your farm then the land owner and the drone operator may be violating NC law which gives rise to potential criminal and civil liability. That allows you to bring all kinds of heat.

Absent overt intrusions or violations such as using a drone to peer into someone's windows or to harass livestock or wildlife, I doubt that the FAA cares whether someone flies a drone over another person's property. Further, neither the State of North Carolina nor any other state or county government has jurisdiction over the airspace.

 

[fatback68]

DARPA is one explanation that makes perfect sense.

3 yrs i have looked for these answers 3 yrs of being looked at like a fool when i mentioned these **** things smh with what all i have seen these things do military contracters especialy the one mentioned here there paid with a blank check they wright it for what they want im satisfied with this answer thank you all

 

[fatback68]

Does this sound like a case of real drones flown by real people to you?

to many to count now all moving at a snails pace ...3 yrs i have been watching them cross our farm. i cant even fly my drone at sunset or after they jam my signal sending it orff adrift with no contact from controller or gps ... i wish someone could put enough heat on these snooping pests to rid them of my night skys​

there parked over my farm right this minute my security light has there undersides glowing silver this has been a nightmare for at least 3 yrs now an i knowing the capabilitys of the cams on these things an im sure there payloads carry so much more technologys unleashed on the american populous! this should make america angry this could be your home an every time you step out a big magnified glass homes in on you after a while it gets to you trust me

 

[Meta4]

there parked over my farm right this minute my security light has there undersides glowing silver this has been a nightmare for at least 3 yrs now an i knowing the capabilitys of the cams on these things an im sure there payloads carry so much more technologys unleashed on the american populous! this should make america angry this could be your home an every time you step out a big magnified glass homes in on you after a while it gets to you trust me

Sorry but I can't accept any of this, it just doesn't add up.
Ask yourself, why would such a thing be happening, right where you are, every night for three years?
Why would they use too many drones to count them and why would they fly at a snail's pace for the whole night
Who would be doing it and why?
What is there for them to learn by flying over the same area all night, every night?
Anyone who wanted to learn so much about your area could do it in daytime from a car.

 

[djwak59]

Sorry but I can't accept any of this, it just doesn't add up.
Ask yourself, why would such a thing be happening, right where you are, every night for three years?
Why would they use too many drones to count them and why would they fly at a snail's pace for the whole night
Who would be doing it and why?
What is there for them to learn by flying over the same area all night, every night?
Anyone who wanted to learn so much about your area could do it in daytime from a car.

Agreed. This all sounds like the plot of a 1950s sci fi movie.

 

[Chip]

Does this sound like a case of real drones flown by real people to you?

to many to count now all moving at a snails pace ...3 yrs i have been watching them cross our farm. i cant even fly my drone at sunset or after they jam my signal sending it orff adrift with no contact from controller or gps ... i wish someone could put enough heat on these snooping pests to rid them of my night skys​

It sounds just like it reads to me. Remember the thread started with fatback posting a flight log and asking for help interpreting it. You normally enjoy interpreting flight logs and have helped many people figure theirs out. But you would not help fatback on this one. I asked you if a jammer was used to take down a drone, what would you expect the flight log to look like but you never answered. Why not?

 

[Chip]

Absent overt intrusions or violations such as using a drone to peer into someone's windows or to harass livestock or wildlife, I doubt that the FAA cares whether someone flies a drone over another person's property. Further, neither the State of North Carolina nor any other state or county government has jurisdiction over the airspace.

hank, with all due respect, I can assure you that flying a drone over a person's private property in NC without permission can trigger criminal and civil liability. If it bothers someone, they have rights and can take action. Whether it starts with checking property ownership and then knocking on the door or sending a letter, or reporting to the sheriff, or taking a little trip to the Robeson county courthouse, or setting up thermal cameras, or doing nothing at all, that is all up to the individual.

 

[tstr14]

Agreed. This all sounds like the plot of a 1950s sci fi movie.

And written just about as well.

 

[fatback68]

Sorry but I can't accept any of this, it just doesn't add up.
Ask yourself, why would such a thing be happening, right where you are, every night for three years?
Why would they use too many drones to count them and why would they fly at a snail's pace for the whole night
Who would be doing it and why?
What is there for them to learn by flying over the same area all night, every night?
Anyone who wanted to learn so much about your area could do it in daytime from a car.

i have same questions im just a simple man with a cell phone trying to let people knowc what im seeing i have sone stuff im catching on my cell phone but im no professional just sharing what i see doesnt matter if u believe im living it an trying to share with you what is up brother an if cant tell i hate to type no pro at this either takes me a while with 1 fingure so there i will try to share some vids im trying to put together some photos im no pro an it frustrates me that i cant show you what i see smh

 

[fatback68]

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i cant tell you why all i can tell you is there here

 

[mavic3usa]

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According to the charts, it's that time of the year again where the planets are closet to Earth in the late evening so that's Mars and Venus....coming in for a landing at LaGuardia.

 

[hank970]

hank, with all due respect, I can assure you that flying a drone over a person's private property in NC without permission can trigger criminal and civil liability. If it bothers someone, they have rights and can take action. Whether it starts with checking property ownership and then knocking on the door or sending a letter, or reporting to the sheriff, or taking a little trip to the Robeson county courthouse, or setting up thermal cameras, or doing nothing at all, that is all up to the individual.

Yep, here's the applicable section of NC law:

15A-300.1 Restrictions on use of UAS

General Prohibitions. – No person, entity, or State agency shall use an unmanned aircraft system to do any of the following:
Conduct surveillance of:

1. A person or a dwelling occupied by a person and that dwelling’s curtilage without the person’s consent.
2. A private real property without the consent of the property’s owner, easement holder, or lessee.

Photograph an individual, without the individual’s consent, for the purpose of publishing or otherwise publicly disseminating the photograph. This subdivision shall not apply to newsgathering, newsworthy events, or events or places to which the general public is invited.

It seems to me that the operative words in the statute are Conduct Surveillance of.
Otherwise, there is no prohibition against flying a drone over or across private property or even using a drone to take pictures of private property in North Carolina provided the drone is operated in accordance with FAA regulations. If fatback68 believes that the drones he's seen over his property in the last three years are unjustly surveilling him, then he should file a complaint or bring a suit against the perpetrator(s) and let the courts decide.

What is surveillance? In the simplest of terms, it's defined as close observation, a rather subjective notion which implies intent. Depending on the merits of the case, fatback68 might anticipate a countersuit.

 

[Chip]

Yep, here's the applicable section of NC law:

15A-300.1 Restrictions on use of UAS

General Prohibitions. – No person, entity, or State agency shall use an unmanned aircraft system to do any of the following:
Conduct surveillance of:

1. A person or a dwelling occupied by a person and that dwelling’s curtilage without the person’s consent.
2. A private real property without the consent of the property’s owner, easement holder, or lessee.

Photograph an individual, without the individual’s consent, for the purpose of publishing or otherwise publicly disseminating the photograph. This subdivision shall not apply to newsgathering, newsworthy events, or events or places to which the general public is invited.

It seems to me that the operative words in the statute are Conduct Surveillance of.
Otherwise, there is no prohibition against flying a drone over or across private property or even using a drone to take pictures of private property in North Carolina provided the drone is operated in accordance with FAA regulations. If fatback68 believes that the drones he's seen over his property in the last three years are unjustly surveilling him, then he should file a complaint or bring a suit against the perpetrator(s) and let the courts decide.

What is surveillance? In the simplest of terms, it's defined as close observation, a rather subjective notion which implies intent. Depending on the merits of the case, fatback68 might anticipate a countersuit.

Yes, the question is what does "surveillance" mean? So, a suit is filed and the defendant must either deny any drone ever took off from their property, or ever flew over plaintiff's property, or admit that drones have been flying but deny they were conducting surveillance. That immediately opens the door to discovery where all flight logs, photos, video, drones, cameras, controllers, registration, Part 107 etc. must be produced for inspection. The risk of a countersuit alleging frivolous filing can be greatly reduced by the homework you do before like checking property records, taking photos and video, getting additional witnesses, and sending letters asking for the purpose of the flights and to please stop.

 

[hank970]

Yes, the question is what does "surveillance" mean? So, a suit is filed and the defendant must either deny any drone ever took off from their property, or ever flew over plaintiff's property, or admit that drones have been flying but deny they were conducting surveillance. That immediately opens the door to discovery where all flight logs, photos, video, drones, cameras, controllers, registration, Part 107 etc. must be produced for inspection. The risk of a countersuit alleging frivolous filing can be greatly reduced by the homework you do before like checking property records, taking photos and video, getting additional witnesses, and sending letters asking for the purpose of the flights and to please stop.

That's not correct. Defendants are entitled to a presumption of innocence.

In this instance, the burden wouldn't be on the drone pilot to defend his conduct. Rather, the burden would be on the plaintiff to prove that the intent of the drone operation was to surveil his person or property. Only if a plaintiff were able to furnish convincing and damaging evidence of nefarious intent might a defendant feel compelled to utter a denial.

Fatback68 may feel he has legitimate concerns, but his posts here smack more of paranoia than of injury.

Discovery? Bring it on.

 

[mavic3usa]

You flew a drone over the property, it has a camera, that's all the intent to surveil anyone needs these days.

 

[hank970]

You flew a drone over the property, it has a camera, that's all the intent to surveil anyone needs these days.

If that were true, then, unless a drone operator owned a substantial acreage or lived in close proximity to the vast public domain, he or she might as well hang it up. I'd wager that most of us who launch from home routinely fly over our neighbors' properties and don't give it a second thought. Why? Because we behave ourselves and respect the rights and sensibilities of others. That said, if someone's conduct is indeed intrusive or threatening, then they should be held accountable.

 

[djwak59]

That's not correct. Defendants are entitled to a presumption of innocence.

In this instance, the burden wouldn't be on the drone pilot to defend his conduct. Rather, the burden would be on the plaintiff to prove that the intent of the drone operation was to surveil his person or property. Only if a plaintiff were able to furnish convincing and damaging evidence of nefarious intent might a defendant feel compelled to utter a denial.

Fatback68 may feel he has legitimate concerns, but his posts here smack more of paranoia than of injury.

Discovery? Bring it on.

Defendants are entitled to a presumption of innocence ??
What country are YOU living in ??

 

[mavic3usa]

If that were true, then, unless a drone operator owned a substantial acreage or lived in close proximity to the vast public domain, he or she might as well hang it up. I'd wager that most of us who launch from home routinely fly over our neighbors' properties and don't give it a second thought. Why? Because we behave ourselves and respect the rights and sensibilities of others. That said, if someone's conduct is indeed intrusive or threatening, then they should be held accountable.

My state doesn't have such a drone rule, you are free to fly a camera over private property with no consent. We can hold people accountable for unlawful spying with a drone or any other tool without having a stupid drone surveillance law. That other state law is on the books for government use against drone pilots should it become necessary.