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Hi Logger and thanks for your answer.
But, please, when someone inexperienced as I am, has doubts, the best answer usually is not "don´t use it".

Well you did say "other testimonies are...terrible! and have evidence" . There is actually no evidence in the thread that you linked that the issue was caused by Litchi. It is an old thread dating from when the Mavic was experiencing TBE events. The consensus it these event were cause by, what could be described as a design flaw.

This aside, litchi does have its issues and if it is the Litchi Waypoint mode that is of interest to you, I would not recommend using it (ie "don´t use it") until you have a good level of competency operating your Mavic.

When you use it to plan a route that inadvertently passes behind a hill or building and it loses signal, then the Litchi app crashes and closes, what are you going to do?
What if it stops flying the route part way and goes into ATTI mode, for some weird reason, what are you going to do?
- You need to have devised strategies for the various contingencies that may occur. Once you have done this and experienced a few of them along the way then you will be good to go.
 
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1) Used correctly, Litchi would not cause any flyaway or crashes. But remember that Litchi is an automated system, same as using active track or POI. If you have your Mavic do a POI and it crashes into a tree - it's because the pilot didn't set the right height - not Litchi of DJI Go apps fault.
2) I've used Litchi for many missions and I love it. I first got it to supplement the ability of my P3S drone. With the Mavic I've used it less, but still use it for missions, panoramic, VR, and screen recording.

Looking at the link you gave I can clearly see the issue in the first paragraph - " The mission was a 37,500' non-stop @ 30 mph & the Mavic was out of RC contact for most of the mission." Without any other data, this line indicates the the pilot was clearly using Litchi to do something beyond the means of the Mavic. If the Mavic was not able to fly in the area with the DJI Go app - then you can't expect it to fly with the Litchi app.

So here's what I do when I create missions:
1) Make sure it's within RC range at all times. I've had a couple missions that lost video signal for a second or two, but never allowed it to go beyond RC range. RC range depends on location so keep that in mind. IF you are flying a mission and start noticing you are going in and out of RC range, don't let it continue - put the Mavic in sports mode and RTH.
2) Make sure mission length and time allows for wiggle room. I created a quick mission in Litchi Mission Hub for a 37500 feet at 30 mph and noted the time - 19 minutes. In perfect conditions this might be possible - but I would never fly it. The reason is your expecting it to fly at 30 mph at all times, something that might not be possible. Every time you have a turn in a Litchi mission, the drone slows down to execute the turn. Not only that - you need to factor for wind. If your flying against the wind you'll never get the same speed as flying with he tail wind. Check out a video I made an overplayed the speed info for a mission with 20 mph to see how different the speeds are:
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You'll notice on the way out there, it barely kept at 20 mph. Also keep in mind that the higher you go, the crazier the wind can get. Also in some instances, I've seen wind blow the Mavic off course, in which case it stops for a second to regain itself, and then goes back to the last mission point and goes from there...this again could add to the time..

Give that the longest flight I've done on my Mavic is 22 minutes. Having a 19 minute Litchi flight is scary to me. The max time I would have one was maybe 15 minutes if I know I had clear line of sight the whole time, and I would monitor it and take over at the first sign or problems.
3) Always be prepared to take control. Most airliners these days can fly themselves from point A to point B just fine. The pilots are really on there in case of emergency. With Litchi you have to treat it the same way, it's an autopilot for you and if you don't watch it and take control when you need to - your at fault. The easiest way to grab control is switching to sports mode which automatically ends the missions and gives you full control again (assuming you have been a good boy and stayed in RC range). Even with DJI Go, there has been plenty of times when using an intelligent flight mode where I have taken over and flew it out of danger (mostly trees).

At this point, I'm thinking i need to make Litchi series on my youtube channel to help people out. They are misusing it and then blaming it when it does what you told it to.

Btw, my most complicate mission had 25 points, 8 POI, and lasted 14 minutes.



Hi spiderpig!!!

Just can say....MEMORABLE!!!
What an incredible amount of details and data.
I really appreciate your answer as the answers from other members here!
You are really helping me to understand that what I have to do is, keep on doing the way I´m doing, but one more step every time, and not 3 steps every time.

It is really interesting to read many details in your text.
I totally agree with you that the link I added to my original question is... a bit too much in many senses. Extreme. But because it was ran before with a PS3 without problems several times...I WAS VERY EXCITED THINKING THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE TOO WITH A MAVIC!!!...but it is not my intention to go that far.
And as you say, most of the times we crash, it is because of our fault, no doubt.

Thanks for all the info about the missions you´ve executed with your Mavic. They are really big too!
Details like stay in range for RC, don´t lose sight, are THE TWO KEYS to success and don´t get into trouble. It is totally logical. Plus extra details as wind direction or height of course. (the video is pretty self explanatory about the speed during the turns, or with the tail or head wind...)

I´ll totally have these things in account when I start using Litchi.

If you don´t mind, I would like to ask you a couple of questions:
1.-Would you mind to share the info of your mobile (Android? iOS?) and if you have experienced different behaviors with different versions of Litchi, and bugs and problem have been improved till the latest one? (3.10.1 I think...)
2.-Your missions are in a city area? countryside? mixed?...tell me something about your experience with that, please...

Thanks in advance for this two details.

And finally..YES; PLEASE! ADD THOSE VIDEOS TO YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL!!! and share the link! I´m sure not only me but much more people would appreciate it.
 
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Well you did say "other testimonies are...terrible! and have evidence" . There is actually no evidence in the thread that you linked that the issue was caused by Litchi. It is an old thread dating from when the Mavic was experiencing TBE events. The consensus it these event were cause by, what could be described as a design flaw.

This aside, litchi does have its issues and if it is the Litchi Waypoint mode that is of interest to you, I would not recommend using it (ie "don´t use it") until you have a good level of competency operating your Mavic.

When you use it to plan a route that inadvertently passes behind a hill or building as loses signal, then the Litchi app crashes and closes, what are you going to do?
What if it stops flying the route part way and goes into ATTI mode, for some weird reason what are you going to do?
- You need to have devised strategies for the various contingencies that may occur. Once you have done this and experienced a few of them along the way then you will be good to go.

Hi again Logger!
And thank you so much for this extended answer.
Now I understand much better what you meant before.

I still need to read and learn more and more.
And yes, you are right, the video doesn´t state that the reason of the fail was Litchi...but...the Mavic on the video doesn´t experience any TBE either.
As you are recommending me, I still need to improve the way I control my Mavic....

but... MY FIRST QUESTION IS, if I cannot switch to Manual or ATTI to learn how to control manually my Mavic in that case...how should I practice that? Could you help me with that, please? I´m afraid to get into a complicated situation when the drone is not that close to me as it is now...how can I simulate that?

Now the only kind of flights I´m practicing are into a big "Olympic" oval practicing different kinds of simulations...but...I don´t know how to practice that one specifically!

MY SECOND QUESTION is about the app. As I understand from your answer...Litchi crashes and closes and you have to restart it if the RC signal is lost? Is that right? What does the drone do meanwhile...hover? continue the mission autonomously?...give me some ideas if you don´t mind, please.

Thanks!
 
In regards to using Litchi for making panoramas, I attempted to start the process but was told that I need to go from P mode to F mode. Or it could be vice-versa. I went to the Litchi website and looked up the help (I try that route always) but did not find a definitive explanation. Anyone here creating panoramas know what they are talking about.
 
In regards to using Litchi for making panoramas, I attempted to start the process but was told that I need to go from P mode to F mode. Or it could be vice-versa. I went to the Litchi website and looked up the help (I try that route always) but did not find a definitive explanation. Anyone here creating panoramas know what they are talking about.
You had the mode switch in Sports and it was asking you to put it back to Normal, (P) Positioning mode which is where needs to be for Panorama. Most of the Litchi modes expect you to be in Normal, (P) Positioning mode and you then can flip to S mode to terminate the current mode. But if you are in S mod in the first place the mode will not work.
 
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You had the mode switch in Sports and it was asking you to put it back to Normal, (P) Positioning mode which is where needs to be for Panorama. Most of the Litchi modes expect you to be in Normal, (P) Positioning mode and you then can flip to S mode to terminate the current mode. But if you are in S mod in the first place the mode will not work.

You are like "THE MAN"... Big thanks. Will give it a try this weekend when I can fly out over the sea.
 
You had the mode switch in Sports and it was asking you to put it back to Normal, (P) Positioning mode which is where needs to be for Panorama. Most of the Litchi modes expect you to be in Normal, (P) Positioning mode and you then can flip to S mode to terminate the current mode. But if you are in S mod in the first place the mode will not work.

That´s very interesting to me too!
Because my main interest in Litchi after Waypoints is PANORAMA PICTURES!

I´m really willing to try it.
I have seen the webpage and look a very complete more, where you can configure everything...rows, degrees, the number of pictures and so on and on...

Any special feature creating 360 panoramas?

Thanks!
 
That´s very interesting to me too!
Because my main interest in Litchi after Waypoints is PANORAMA PICTURES!

I´m really willing to try it.
I have seen the webpage and look a very complete more, where you can configure everything...rows, degrees, the number of pictures and so on and on...

Any special feature creating 360 panoramas?

Thanks!

In Litchi, just click on panorama and basically follow the directions. There was a great tutorial on how to do it. If I can find the link, I can post it here.
 
Hi spiderpig!!!


If you don´t mind, I would like to ask you a couple of questions:
1.-Would you mind to share the info of your mobile (Android? iOS?) and if you have experienced different behaviors with different versions of Litchi, and bugs and problem have been improved till the latest one? (3.10.1 I think...)
2.-Your missions are in a city area? countryside? mixed?...tell me something about your experience with that, please...

Thanks in advance for this two details.

And finally..YES; PLEASE! ADD THOSE VIDEOS TO YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL!!! and share the link! I´m sure not only me but much more people would appreciate it.

1) I used a iOS device for both Mavic and P3S. I typically use an old iPhone 6 for the Mavic that fits nicely, and I have an iPad Air 2 for the P3S.
2) my missions have all been in the burbs. Mostly either at local parks or right next to my house. I live in a townhouse community and kind of joke that my house is on the edge of suburbia. We have farms behind our house that are pretty big. Now there is a gold course east of my house that I've done flights over. I notice that if I fly from in front of my house, the other houses will cause video loss at about 2500 feet (still have visual on it of course). Now If move over to the tennis court that has a clearer sight to the golf course, I can fly the whole course without issues...well except for wind.
 
1) I used a iOS device for both Mavic and P3S. I typically use an old iPhone 6 for the Mavic that fits nicely, and I have an iPad Air 2 for the P3S.
2) my missions have all been in the burbs. Mostly either at local parks or right next to my house. I live in a townhouse community and kind of joke that my house is on the edge of suburbia. We have farms behind our house that are pretty big. Now there is a gold course east of my house that I've done flights over. I notice that if I fly from in front of my house, the other houses will cause video loss at about 2500 feet (still have visual on it of course). Now If move over to the tennis court that has a clearer sight to the golf course, I can fly the whole course without issues...well except for wind.

Thank you again spiderpig!

Little by little, it looks like I can find fewer problems with Litchi under iOS than under Android...
Maybe is not directly connected, but...this is what I find!

All the information that you share is important, and again shows us that flying between high buildings and antennas is a big issue...maybe the reason of the main failure I saw on that video (but the P3S and P4 did it perfectly...???). So, that´s probably part of the problems some people are experiencing too. When it is about a more opened and wide area, everything looks like more stable.

Then, it comes to my mind...something that still nobody can tell me for sure, but maybe you can tell me your personal experience!
DO YOU KNOW IF in case LITCHI crashes and/or is restarted.....What does the drone do meanwhile...hover? continue the mission autonomously?...give me some ideas about it if you don´t mind, please.
AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT...what happens about it too....if the RC SIGNAL IS LOST?...that´s really important. Because I´ve experienced this with DJI GO and then the Mavic returned to home safely...Is the same with LITCHI when the RC signal is lost?

Thanks a lot!
 
Thank you again spiderpig!

Little by little, it looks like I can find fewer problems with Litchi under iOS than under Android...
Maybe is not directly connected, but...this is what I find!

All the information that you share is important, and again shows us that flying between high buildings and antennas is a big issue...maybe the reason of the main failure I saw on that video (but the P3S and P4 did it perfectly...???). So, that´s probably part of the problems some people are experiencing too. When it is about a more opened and wide area, everything looks like more stable.

Then, it comes to my mind...something that still nobody can tell me for sure, but maybe you can tell me your personal experience!
DO YOU KNOW IF in case LITCHI crashes and/or is restarted.....What does the drone do meanwhile...hover? continue the mission autonomously?...give me some ideas about it if you don´t mind, please.
AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT...what happens about it too....if the RC SIGNAL IS LOST?...that´s really important. Because I´ve experienced this with DJI GO and then the Mavic returned to home safely...Is the same with LITCHI when the RC signal is lost?

Thanks a lot!

If Litchi crashes and RC still has a connection, then the drone would finish the mission like normal. Hopefully you would have restarted Litchi and picked off where it left off. It would still be recording if you were recording before it crashes.

If RC signal is lost, the drone should revert to original programming and come back home. I was flying at a field once with 4 other Mavic flyers and a lot of RC guys. So imagine the amount of signals all over the place. It was pretty open so no other issues. I was running a simple test mission to see the limits of the park. While at the edge of the park (about 2000 feet away..nothing big) it lost signal and disconnected from RC. Litchi reported it disconnected. The RC connection came back about 5 seconds later on the controller and I could see it was coming back. I landed the Mavic, rebooted it and the controller to have it hop to a different frequencies and ran the mission again with no issues.
 
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If Litchi crashes and RC still has a connection, then the drone would finish the mission like normal. Hopefully you would have restarted Litchi and picked off where it left off. It would still be recording if you were recording before it crashes.

If RC signal is lost, the drone should revert to original programming and come back home. I was flying at a field once with 4 other Mavic flyers and a lot of RC guys. So imagine the amount of signals all over the place. It was pretty open so no other issues. I was running a simple test mission to see the limits of the park. While at the edge of the park (about 2000 feet away..nothing big) it lost signal and disconnected from RC. Litchi reported it disconnected. The RC connection came back about 5 seconds later on the controller and I could see it was coming back. I landed the Mavic, rebooted it and the controller to have it hop to a different frequencies and ran the mission again with no issues.

Ok! So....it looks let´s say...pretty safe! Doesn´t it?

Thanks for all your support everybody here is giving...

I´ll tell you my experience as soon as I get it!
 
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If Litchi crashes and RC still has a connection, then the drone would finish the mission like normal. Hopefully you would have restarted Litchi and picked off where it left off. It would still be recording if you were recording before it crashes.
Once you restart Litchi after a mid mission app crash, you cannot actually pickup the mission from where you left off. At least this has been the case for me with android. I assume this is because Litchi detects a WPT mission is already in progress on the aircraft. So when you restart Litchi the app will be in FPV mode and when you switch to WPT mode you cannot open a mission and the one in progress is not displayed. You will of course be able to follow what is going on though. But you will no longer have a mission plan open in the app nor a route on screen. The aircraft will continue the route, but no longer carry out any of the WPT specific commands such as speed changes or taking a photo at a WPT that were programmed.
 
Once you restart Litchi after a mid mission app crash, you cannot actually pickup the mission from where you left off. At least this has been the case for me with android. I assume this is because Litchi detects a WPT mission is already in progress on the aircraft. So when you restart Litchi the app will be in FPV mode and when you switch to WPT mode you cannot open a mission and the one in progress is not displayed. You will of course be able to follow what is going on though. But you will no longer have a mission plan open in the app nor a route on screen. The aircraft will continue the route, but no longer carry out any of the WPT specific commands such as speed changes or taking a photo at a WPT that were programmed.

Thanks too for this message!

But...let´s say that the important issue to me is:
Apart than the possibility of freezing/loosing/restarting Litchi...
Let´s imagine Litchi goes well...it doesn´t freeze, or restart or anything. It just works correctly.
The only issue we find is we loose RC signal...
As the Waypoint is an "autonomous mode"...
IF Litchi loose RC signal...the drone continue autonomously its mission till the end (where probably will recover RC signal)? or just...hover...RTH...or whatever?

This is something important to know from all of you. (Logger, spiderpig, younumpty....) (with DJI you can set in case of loose RC to just hover, or RTH...) What happens with Litchi? (AND MAVIC!! Not Phantom! (but you can tell what happens with Phantom too...of course...)

Thanks!
 
Thanks too for this message!

But...let´s say that the important issue to me is:
Apart than the possibility of freezing/loosing/restarting Litchi...
Let´s imagine Litchi goes well...it doesn´t freeze, or restart or anything. It just works correctly.
The only issue we find is we loose RC signal...
As the Waypoint is an "autonomous mode"...
IF Litchi loose RC signal...the drone continue autonomously its mission till the end (where probably will recover RC signal)? or just...hover...RTH...or whatever?

This is something important to know from all of you. (Logger, spiderpig, younumpty....) (with DJI you can set in case of loose RC to just hover, or RTH...) What happens with Litchi? (AND MAVIC!! Not Phantom! (but you can tell what happens with Phantom too...of course...)

Thanks!

Also make sure you have good visual sight of the drone and keep the finger on the sports switch in case you need to take over. Sometimes you might have misjudged a height of a tree or something and Litchi won't know...so you need to ensure the safety of the drone and be able to take over in that case.

Other then that...plan ahead of time using the Mission hub and be ready flight day. I always pre-plan some mission on the Mission Hub a couple days before flying. I make sure to download them to my device before I go flying so it's saved locally. When at the flight site, I adjust the mission as needed for conditions.
 
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Also make sure you have good visual sight of the drone and keep the finger on the sports switch in case you need to take over. Sometimes you might have misjudged a height of a tree or something and Litchi won't know...so you need to ensure the safety of the drone and be able to take over in that case.

Other then that...plan ahead of time using the Mission hub and be ready flight day. I always pre-plan some mission on the Mission Hub a couple days before flying. I make sure to download them to my device before I go flying so it's saved locally. When at the flight site, I adjust the mission as needed for conditions.


Sure! I understand and agree with all that way of working.
But just wondering, just in case of that "extreme" situation when you loose RC signal...just RC (no problem with Litchi)...
Have you ever experienced that? Does the drone (Mavic and/or Phantom) continue the mission till it comes back home as it was planned? Come back home as with DJI GO?...Hover?...that would be good to know...

Thanks, and sorry for insisting...
 
Yes I have experienced that heaps of time. In continues the basic mission to the final WPT and will then do whatever you programmed it to do at that point.. But it will not complete any WPT programmed commands during the LOS period. It needs a connection to the aircraft for them to occur.

The way to look at it is the WPT mission is a inbuilt Mavic firmware capability. This capability can be programmed in a basic fashion with DJIGo WPT smart mode or with more complexity using third party apps like Litchi. So once underway on the WPT mission all the info to complete the basic mission resides on the Mavic and is actioned by the firmware (not Litchi). The bells and whistles stuff like stopping for x second at WPT and taking a photo or slowing down between two WPTS is fed to the aircraft by the Litchi app on your device in real time. So you need the RC signal for that to work. But the underlying WPT mission on the mavic will keep running regardless.
I have my Finish Action set to Land at the last waypoint, which I have positioned in a clear area on my driveway. I have disabled Landing Protection and Precision Landing. In this way I know when Mavic gets to this final WPT it will land straight away without getting stuck in a hover (can happen with landing Protection on). This is handy to have set because if you have had a loss of signal and you are looking for your Mavic you may have moved away from the Landing point while looking for it.
 
Yes I have experienced that heaps of time. In continues the basic mission to the final WPT and will then do whatever you programmed it to do at that point.. But it will not complete any WPT programmed commands during the LOS period. It needs a connection to the aircraft for them to occur.

The way to look at it is the WPT mission is a inbuilt Mavic firmware capability. This capability can be programmed in a basic fashion with DJIGo WPT smart mode or with more complexity using third party apps like Litchi. So once underway on the WPT mission all the info to complete the basic mission resides on the Mavic and is actioned by the firmware (not Litchi). The bells and whistles stuff like stopping for x second at WPT and taking a photo or slowing down between two WPTS is fed to the aircraft by the Litchi app on your device in real time. So you need the RC signal for that to work. But the underlying WPT mission on the mavic will keep running regardless.
I have my Finish Action set to Land at the last waypoint, which I have positioned in a clear area on my driveway. I have disabled Landing Protection and Precision Landing. In this way I know when Mavic gets to this final WPT it will land straight away without getting stuck in a hover (can happen with landing Protection on). This is handy to have set because if you have had a loss of signal and you are looking for your Mavic you may have moved away from the Landing point while looking for it.


Fantastic!
Just what I needed to know...
One more time it looks pretty safe! at least to me...

And you Spidepig? Any good/bad experience or details in case you loose RC signal but app is running correctly?

Thanks to you all!

Very kind and helpful people here...
 
Hi Mike_in_Letcombe

Really appreciate your answer and the details! Same user...both iOS and Android...two different results... Interesting. And as you said, that doesn´t mean that cannot work perfectly under Android...but I think is interesting to know.

Thanks for the information about the biggest WP! REALLY BIG!

One question, please....these WP you are running...City area? or countryside? and more important even; as a WP is an "autonomous" mode, do you loose RC signal and the bird return with no problem? or you never loose RC signal? Please, tell me your experience about these 2 issues, please.

Thanks in advance!

Sorry, been away for a few days. I always fly countryside - you are probably flying illegally if over a city, certainly here in the UK. Have lost video feed once (but now have slip-on range extenders) which didn't affect the mission at all, the Mavic flew as planned. Just double check your altitudes, then have a recce once you get to site - just in case they've built a bloody big tower recently!


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