Im not inclined to believe the opposite will happen. These events will go away just as quickly as they appeared. And we'll be left with both side staking their claim as in "I know what I saw" and "You saw nothing but manned aircraft." Overall, we'll all be left with "Ok, so let's discuss what we're going to do about 'drones" if we have another 'incident' like this in the future. What can we do to make sure nothing like this happens again." And then all of a sudden, everyone is one the same page.....against us.
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Rchawks
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How long will it take for Americans to work this out?
There are no drones, there never have been.
There are no car-sized objects in the sky.
There are no "drones" hovering in place all night and coming back each night.
There is no threat to anyone.
The government isn't hiding anything.
It's normal, ordinary airplanes seen by people who can't tell what they are seeing and imagine it's something mysterious and then convincing others that there is something unusual about something that's common and normal.
It's mass hysteria folks.
Did you want to add one more comment to your list to wrap it up?
"There are no new drone laws that will result from this...."
If you read the officer's actual statement, the officer says the drones he saw were coming in from the ocean. Not coming OUT of the ocean. Coming in to port is very common seaman parlance for boats returning from sea. But people hear and see what they want to see, and generally facts are not what is wanted. Also worth noting is people mistake birds for UFO's all the time, even cops. Noteworthy though, rarely actual licensed pilots, but it has happened - like when the first saucer reports happened, a private pilot flying near Mt Rainier reported seeing a bunch of crescent shaped / swept wing UFO's in a V formation: what he described sounds a lot like a flock of Canadian geese at altitude - and yes, geese fly really high, it's aerodynamics.
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This distinction you have highlighted between the notion of an object coming in from the sea and coming out of the sea from beneath the waterline is well taken, eEridani. The ambiguity of those descriptive terms would keep the proverbial panel of experts busy in heated debate, if I may appropriate a fragment of lyrics from an old country song.
On the subject of pilot Kenneth Arnold's June 24th, 1947 encounter with a formation of chevron-shaped silver craft zipping along at dazzling speed between the peaks of Washington State's Mount Ranier, as detailed in this Wikipedia page, I beg to differ with the suggestion that the flying objects observed by Mr. Arnold could have been a flock of high altitude Canada geese.
Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting - Wikipedia
My divergence of opinion concerning Kenneth Arnold's airborne encounter, from whence the term "flying saucer" was coined by the press at the time, is due to Mr. Arnold's estimations that quantified the airspeed attained by the echelon formation of silver craft he watched traversing distances between known landmarks, which exceeded the maximum airspeed of all known front-line military aircraft operational during that era
Returning to the present, my layman's opinion remains that while numerous conventional man-made drones are being seen by residents of New Jersey and other locations worldwide, including several key military installations within the continental USA and the EU, concurrent reports from airline pilots who encountered high-altitude illuminated objects whipping back and forth at the speed of ballistic projectiles, all add up to an enigma that will likely endure well into the future, just as did Kenneth Arnold's reported experience way back in 1947.
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What model DSLR has that? The older coolpix had it but wasn’t a DSLR.
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Taking this off topic ... but it's a fun discussion.
One of Arnold's reasons for dismissing his initial "It's geese" decision was his 9,500 foot altitude. He was ignorant of the fact geese have been seen flying as high as 29,000 feet. 7,500 is a normal cruising altitude for them here in the states. He assumed they were 25 miles away; but they weren't showing up on radar, so he was depending on visual. An eyeball pair attached to a human head can't judge distance more than a few hundred feet, so it all depends on parallax after that.
In the air, references for parallax are the horizon and objects known to be far away, like a mountain. If the distance to the objects was wrong, a mile or two instead of 20 miles, all speed estimates are off the table. The same is true of the size and speeds he reported (note the air force at the time said his estimates were 10 times smaller than their estimates. 10x is a large error, so something was off in his math and estimates, I suspect it was distance and the objects were much closer and thus much smaller than he estimated. Angular velocities follow. And, ask yourself if you can see a 737 at 50 miles - Arnold's claim he watched the objects until they disappeared near Mt Adams, says he could.
Combine this with the bright flashes they gave off yet darker than snow, random rotations and wavering grouping, more reasons to think geese. And, feathers can iridesce in sunlight and can be pretty bright. I've personally seen birds in flight from altitude, seagulls, and they can be bright; not so bright I'd confuse them with strobes, but they flash bright enough to get your attention. A solid mirror-like disk, by the way, only reflects sunlight at a very specific angle to you. That flashing he reported wouldn't happen if the disks were moving away and randomly following terrain: they'd need to be dodecahedrons or similar to do that. Wings on the other hand are quite flexible and do warp in flight such that feathers catch light at many angles.
Even with the corroborations sited, call me a skeptic. I vote birds, not metal.
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NYPD duck-hunting officers displayed fine wing-shooting prowess by bagging a massive bird yesterday. On display by NYPD officers is an impressively designed steroid-built drone that runs on liquefied gas or gasoline.
These screenshots I must credit to Third Phase of The Moon's Youtube channel. The sophistication of this gas-powered drone suggests that it and thousands of others were manufactured by a government entity with really deep pockets.
Skip the waffle to the 13.4- minute mark of the video
These screenshots I must credit to Third Phase of The Moon's Youtube channel. The sophistication of this gas-powered drone suggests that it and thousands of others were manufactured by a government entity with really deep pockets.
Skip the waffle to the 13.4- minute mark of the video
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A lot of time spent calling a helicopter a "drone" and then showing an image claimed to be evidence of assumed nefarious activity. Yet I did not see any identifiable police officer in the photos (no badge number I can verify, any uniform/costume shop could supply what's in the photo - and the room looks like my old den).
Again, all 100% conjecture to sell clicks. Folks, there are commercial fuel powered drones, with many commercial applications. It doesn't take a military or state to make one or fly one - just money to buy it, and a license to fly it legally.
ps: as a side note, wouldn't it be cool if that's an H2 fuel cell powered drone?
pps: https://www.amazon.com/Freefly-Systems-ALTA-UAV/dp/B013OMDM6Y seems to be the mfg type.
Again, all 100% conjecture to sell clicks. Folks, there are commercial fuel powered drones, with many commercial applications. It doesn't take a military or state to make one or fly one - just money to buy it, and a license to fly it legally.
ps: as a side note, wouldn't it be cool if that's an H2 fuel cell powered drone?
pps: https://www.amazon.com/Freefly-Systems-ALTA-UAV/dp/B013OMDM6Y seems to be the mfg type.
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Droning on and on...
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Haha I immediately bought into the idea that the recovered drone had been shot down by an NYPD officer who is an avid duck hunter, simply because I liked the imagery of that story better.
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I really do wonder what my life would have been like had I been amongst the more gullible crowd. Would I have been happier? Made more money? Been an influencer (no one follows a critic). lol.
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