Remote ID For MA2

[fourbeer]

I saw that remote ID support was announced for the MA2S but was wondering if that means the MA2 will also have it (since they are very similar drones) or if the MA2 support has basically been dropped by DJI for this feature.

Apologies if this has been discussed but searching for this topic in this forum only turned up a few threads from back in 2020, prior to the DJI announcement.

 

[GadgetGuy]

I believe almost all DJI drones will have Remote ID capability, including the MA2. Essentially, DJI creates a public Aeroscope transmission available to be seen through an app on any cell phone, without requiring a $10,000 Aeroscope receiver! Any DJI drone that Aeroscope can detect should ultimately be capable of Remote ID support, through a FW update.

Despite it not being mandatory until next October in the U.S., DJI already implemented it yesterday on the theoretically exempt sub 250g Mini 3 Pro, likely due to bad PR from a Mini 3 Pro flagrantly flown into PetCo Park in San Diego last week on national television, during one of the Dodgers Padres playoff games, despite DJI's GEO and an FAA TFR over the ballpark and the surrounding area during the game! The pilot got away with it, too! Flew in and out anonymously and just disappeared! No doubt enabled by the new DJI RC bundled with the Mini 3 Pro for $900, which has no cellular service, unlike a cell phone used for a display! Cellular service would have detected the TFR and prohibited launching anywhere near the ballpark during the game!

 

[mobilehomer]

Here is the list of all Compliant models as of now.

UAS Declaration of Compliance

UAS Declaration of Compliance

uasdoc.faa.gov

DG, the Mini 3 is NOT exempt completely. If it is used with the Plus battery or for Part 107 it has to be registered and be RID compliant.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Here is the list of all Compliant models as of now.

UAS Declaration of Compliance

UAS Declaration of Compliance

uasdoc.faa.gov

DG, the Mini 3 is NOT exempt completely. If it is used with the Plus battery or for Part 107 it has to be registered and be RID compliant.

The latest FW update from DJI yesterday for the Mini 3 Pro immediately and irreversibly installs and activates Remote ID onto every Mini 3 Pro, regardless of which battery it is flown with!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Interestingly, the Mavic 2 and P4P are not yet listed as Accepted on the FAA list above. Might be the only solutions, if that is important to you. Not sure if they become grandfathered or just noncompliant next October!

 

[lookout]

Mini 3 pro is less than 249g and they're still going to install remote ID on it anyway?

And can't be disabled?

Why are they doing that?

 

[GadgetGuy]

Mini 3 pro is less than 249g and they're still going to install remote ID on it anyway?

And can't be disabled?

Why are they doing that?

My guess is to offset the bad PR from a Mini 3 Pro flown into a baseball playoff game last week on national television in prime time in San Diego! Game had to be stopped while they debated what to do. Drone taunted everyone, hovering 50’ over second base for some 30 seconds and then just flew up and out and away. Cameras zoomed in on it, and you could clearly read the make and model! Pilot was never located. No Aeroscope, but with Remote ID, they could have easily found him/her. DJI prides itself on being proactive with GEO to prevent such incidents, so they threw the baby out with the bathwater on this one!

 

[mobilehomer]

My guess is to offset the bad PR from a Mini 3 Pro flown into a baseball playoff game last week on national television in prime time in San Diego! Game had to be stopped while they debated what to do. Drone taunted everyone, hovering 50’ over second base for some 30 seconds and then just flew up and out and away. Cameras zoomed in on it, and you could clearly read the make and model! Pilot was never located. No Aeroscope, but with Remote ID, they could have easily found him/her. DJI prides itself on being proactive with GEO to prevent such incidents, so they threw the baby out with the bathwater on this one!

Nope, not even close to true. Ever since RID was mandated, all drones used for Part 107 will be required to transmit. It has zero to do with Aeroscope, that is a DJI device for tracking DJI drones. RID is for ALL brands.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Nope, not even close to true. Ever since RID was mandated, all drones used for Part 107 will be required to transmit. It has zero to do with Aeroscope, that is a DJI device for tracking DJI drones. RID is for ALL brands.

Not sure why you continue to harp on Part 107 which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of recreational flights. You persist in completely misconstruing my posts! RID is not currently mandated anywhere in the United States! The inability of the authorities to locate the pilot of the nefarious Mini 3 Pro in the baseball playoff game has everything to do with the lack of an Aeroscope system in place at game, and the lack of Remote ID on the Mini 3 Pro, until this week's FW update! No one is conflating Aeroscope and RID. However, the purpose of both is to locate the pilot! The drone involved was a DJI drone, which Aeroscope would have been fully capable of tracking without RID.

 

[lookout]

Anybody want to take a guess as to how many of the dji fleet that dji will try to impose remote ID on? Their statement seems to indicate only the more recent models.

Mavic pro 1 probably not only older, won't get it, even though there is an ap wifi module on it, won't be activated since the rc/wifi switch may prevent it from being used. The switch could probably be ignored somehow, but maybe not.

 

[lookout]

Not sure why you continue to harp on Part 107 which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of recreational flights. You persist in completely misconstruing my posts! RID is not currently mandated anywhere in the United States! The inability of the authorities to locate the pilot of the nefarious Mini 3 Pro in the baseball playoff game has everything to do with the lack of an Aeroscope system in place at game, and the lack of Remote ID on the Mini 3 Pro, until this week's FW update! No one is conflating Aeroscope and RID. However, the purpose of both is to locate the pilot! The drone involved was a DJI drone, which Aeroscope would have been fully capable of tracking without RID.

They'd have to have aeroscope available at every game everywhere on the planet to anticipate a possible infringement dji quad. Not going to be feasible, yet placing a remote ID module on every quad on the planet isn't feasible either.

 

[GadgetGuy]

They'd have to have aeroscope available at every game everywhere on the planet to anticipate a possible infringement dji quad. Not going to be feasible, yet placing a remote ID module on every quad on the planet isn't feasible either.

The $10,000 cost of an Aeroscope setup is a fixed cost that most major league stadiums can certainly afford, especially when amortized over all the games it would be used for, to locate the pilot of any DJI drone. As to Remote ID, DJI rolling it out a year early on the Mini 3 Pro is a preemptive PR move to locate the Mini 3 Pro pilots that violate TFR's, despite no proposed mandate for Remote ID on sub 250g drones. Either method, either Aeroscope or Remote ID would have worked to locate the pilot of this Mini 3 Pro in the baseball playoff game, to discourage future nefarious DJI Mini 3 Pro flights during such televised games.

 

[Wreckhunter]

The latest FW update from DJI yesterday for the Mini 3 Pro immediately and irreversibly installs and activates Remote ID onto every Mini 3 Pro, regardless of which battery it is flown with!

View attachment 156394

Right,but where does it specify anything about it not making any difference which battery it uses.
Just saying.

 

[Wreckhunter]

Right,but where does it specify anything about it not making any difference which battery it uses.
Just saying.

No one knows yet what they are going to do exactly.probably with another firmware upgrade when
it gets close to the Sept. 2023 date for start of RID,the firmware will be able to detect which battery
is being used in the mini 3 pro.Regular battery RID will not be turned on ,+ battery installed and the
firmware will detect that and switch on RID.Makes perfect sense.

 

[lookout]

No one knows yet what they are going to do exactly.probably with another firmware upgrade when
it gets close to the Sept. 2023 date for start of RID,the firmware will be able to detect which battery
is being used in the mini 3 pro.Regular battery RID will not be turned on ,+ battery installed and the
firmware will detect that and switch on RID.Makes perfect sense.

Like why couldn't they do that now?

 

[Wreckhunter]

Like why couldn't they do that now?

It's too early for that yet,but who knows what's going to happen between now and
next Sept. Nothing would surprise me with this big goofy mess.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Right,but where does it specify anything about it not making any difference which battery it uses.
Just saying.

Where does it say that they ever intend to make any such distinction? It is advertised by DJI as RID supported, and now it is irreversibly installed, if the FW is updated. Expecting DJI to install a distinction just because the FAA does, under certain unique circumstances, has never been DJI's mantra. DJI rationalizes this by assuming that all Mini 3 Pro Part 107 flights with either battery will require RID, so it is a distinction without a difference. What DJI refuses to do is give the user control over the broadcasting of RID, which is upon whom the FAA places the burden to fly legally. That is the way it should be done, but DJI has decided they know best! They have now immediately activated RID broadcast for all Mini 3 Pro drones after the FW update, regardless of battery used or Part 107 status, and completely independently of the fact that RID is not required to be broadcast by anyone in the United States until a year from now! Thanks, DJI!

 

[GadgetGuy]

It's too early for that yet,but who knows what's going to happen between now and
next Sept. Nothing would surprise me with this big goofy mess.

The answer is nothing else will happen. It's already being broadcast, whether we like it not, if we update, even though it isn't legally required for anyone in the United States for another year!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Like why couldn't they do that now?

They could have and would have, had they wanted to do so. They also could also have easily given us user control over the broadcasting, had they wanted to, at least until October 23, 2023! They deliberately did not!

 

[karlblessing]

They could have and would have, had they wanted to do so. They also could also have easily given us user control over the broadcasting, had they wanted to, at least until October 23, 2023! They deliberately did not!

The DJI Drones even back to lightbridge were always broadcasting for the tracking with aeroscope with no user ability to turn off this whole time. So there's no reason why they would give users the choice to do the same for the remote id variation of that. The only difference is, the end user is now aware that it's doing it, and the ability to capture that data doesn't require a $10,000 device.