RIP Charlie

[1gratefulflyingdawg]

We can't debate gun violence, because there is no such thing.

It's just violence. In other places where guns are less prevalent, it's knives, or machetes, or fire.

Having said that, outside of democratically controlled areas, you don't need a skewed and massaged set of numbers. Violence is very low.

Inside democratically controlled large cities, you are in as much danger here in America as you would be in Paris or London.

We can't talk about the why though, because equity and inclusiveness only supports a very narrow construct of language.

Inside democratically controlled large cities, there is a TON of violence. I've been to a few; some look exactly like places overseas now.

If you want to talk culture, or anger, or why people hurt so badly that self-medicating or hurting others is the only answer, we can discuss that.

But if you are persisting in belief that access to firearms is the problem, I can't help you. Bet anyone on that bus wishes they had one though.

Your “Democrat city” excuse? Doesn’t hold water. The states with the worst gun death rates—Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama—are deep red, and rural counties often beat cities on per-capita gun deaths. Culture and poverty matter, but the reason our homicide rate blows past the rest of the developed world.
You obviously can’t even speak truth to support your position.

 

[High_Order1]

Our homicide rate 'blows past the rest of the developed world'??

I lend as much credence to that assertion as I do your initial one, unless of course you don't see, oh, mexico, guatemala... all those places as 'developed'.

'speaking truth' < I know what that dog whistle means.

Take out suicide and accidents and tell me where the greatest MURDER rates are. I don't need to wait, I already know.

rural counties often beat cities on per-capita gun deaths.

No.

Where are you most likely to be injured for your watch and wallet, or just because? Stinky Creek Montana or NYC?

Again, just rebutting the lunacy. Not interested in debate.

 

[mavic3usa]

No Free Speech in the military but we already knew that was not allowed by the High Command OKW.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5501199-military-retribution-charlie-kirk/

 

[High_Order1]

Servicemembers should know better than to voice opinion in uniform on any topic, as it may be misconstrued by the public as official policy. (shrugs) same as law enforcement and the rest of public safety.

 

[Bad Santa]

I keep thinking about that killing spree that was planned last year where there was someone targeting democrat politicians and there weren't anyone on the right side screaming about it. I think the left seemed to be a lot less rabid about it as well.
And Pelosi's husband. I don't remember anyone on the right side with any empathy there either.

The situation we have now is extremely hypocritical.

 

[High_Order1]

I keep thinking about that killing spree that was planned last year where there was someone targeting democrat politicians and there weren't anyone on the right side screaming about it. I think the left seemed to be a lot less rabid about it as well.
And Pelosi's husband. I don't remember anyone on the right side with any empathy there either.

The situation we have now is extremely hypocritical.

I don't know anything about a planned democrat killing spree, and I generally keep up with those things.

Pelosi's husband was attacked by someone he knew... well.

(shrugs)

 

[1gratefulflyingdawg]

Our homicide rate 'blows past the rest of the developed world'??

I lend as much credence to that assertion as I do your initial one, unless of course you don't see, oh, mexico, guatemala... all those places as 'developed'.

'speaking truth' < I know what that dog whistle means.

Take out suicide and accidents and tell me where the greatest MURDER rates are. I don't need to wait, I already know.



No.

Where are you most likely to be injured for your watch and wallet, or just because? Stinky Creek Montana or NYC?

Again, just rebutting the lunacy. Not interested in debate.

Of course you’re not interested in debating. Debating to you is you talking.

 

[High_Order1]

Of course you’re not interested in debating. Debating to you is you talking.

I'm not interested in 'debating' because there honestly isn't much to cover. You'll never move from your position, and I know the facts.

What's left?

 

[Bad Santa]

I don't know anything about a planned democrat killing spree, and I generally keep up with those things.

Pelosi's husband was attacked by someone he knew... well.

(shrugs)

I know it was a very long time ago so it's hard to remember that far back to last June

"MINNEAPOLIS – Vance Boelter, 57, has been indicted on six federal charges in connection with the stalking and murders of Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman, the stalking and shooting of Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette Hoffman, and the attempted shooting of their daughter Hope Hoffman, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson."

Vance Boelter Indicted for the Murders of Melissa and Mark Hortman, the Shootings of John and Yvette Hoffman, and the Attempted Shooting of Hope Hoffman

www.justice.gov

 

[High_Order1]

I know it was a very long time ago so it's hard to remember that far back to last June

"MINNEAPOLIS – Vance Boelter, 57, has been indicted on six federal charges in connection with the stalking and murders of Minnesota House of Representatives Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark Hortman, the stalking and shooting of Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette Hoffman, and the attempted shooting of their daughter Hope Hoffman, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson."

Vance Boelter Indicted for the Murders of Melissa and Mark Hortman, the Shootings of John and Yvette Hoffman, and the Attempted Shooting of Hope Hoffman

www.justice.gov

Oh!
Yeah, we've already discussed that one. A leftist that was enraged that a fellow traveler would vote with the repubs and against illegals getting benefits.

I was proud of her, but when you go against progressives... they eat their own. Often. I am surprised Fetterman hasn't got much more than a lot of hate and discontent, for that matter. (shrugs)

That wasn't a plan against democrats as you describe though. Like when the democrat shot up the congresspeople just playing baseball, THAT was against a lot of people.

 

[Bad Santa]

Oh!
Yeah, we've already discussed that one. A leftist that was enraged that a fellow traveler would vote with the repubs and against illegals getting benefits.

I was proud of her, but when you go against progressives... they eat their own. Often. I am surprised Fetterman hasn't got much more than a lot of hate and discontent, for that matter. (shrugs)

That wasn't a plan against democrats as you describe though. Like when the democrat shot up the congresspeople just playing baseball, THAT was against a lot of people.

There's the spin I was expecting.

I keep forgetting this is a drone forum and not a politics forum.

I'm backing away.

 

[AnzacJack]

Absolutely. But claiming a war on "the radical left" is what is needed. Really?

I didn’t read anything about that here and see no reason for you to bring politics into it. This is what causes this all the time. Radicals on both side either claiming or behaving extreme

 

[AnzacJack]

Did you have the same strong reaction when Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband were murdered in Wisconsin in June?

What hopes do you have for the three children that were shot in their classroom on the same day as the Kirk shooting?

I don’t see that because a person expresses concern about something that they do not have concern for anyone else. I feel really sad for you guys in the U.S. and the state of your free speech. This is a prime example. You are attack in someone because you don’t agree or think they should be saying what you want. What is happening guys. It’s crazy
A simple post to just say it was a sad thing to happen, and even this small community has members that have to throw a negative slant on it. ‘What about this, what about that, he was a bad dude’
Everyones opinion is more important than anyone elses and has to be expressed…..WTF people.
Sometimes i think free speech is just ********. It doesnt exist anymore. Shame on society

 

[Cafguy]

I think we should remember a few things here.
1. Guns are not the cause of violence, People with guns are.
2. Yes we have a huge problem with gun violence in our country BUT Making these weapons illegal wont do anything but make it easier for me to get one.....How easy? You can come here and bring 200 bucks and I can promise you I can get you an AK 47 right off the street within the hour.
3. If you want this violence to subside then I would suggest to the American people A NATIONAL MENTAL HEATH CARE PLAN.
So far all we have done is point fingers and blame.
Who is at fault?? WELL all of us Americans that sit and watch the news and either blame someone else or do nothing.

 

[1gratefulflyingdawg]

I think we should remember a few things here.
1. Guns are not the cause of violence, People with guns are.
2. Yes we have a huge problem with gun violence in our country BUT Making these weapons illegal wont do anything but make it easier for me to get one.....How easy? You can come here and bring 200 bucks and I can promise you I can get you an AK 47 right off the street within the hour.
3. If you want this violence to subside then I would suggest to the American people A NATIONAL MENTAL HEATH CARE PLAN.
So far all we have done is point fingers and blame.
Who is at fault?? WELL all of us Americans that sit and watch the news and either blame someone else or do nothing.

I agree, this is a mental health issue and more specifically a men’s mental health issue. I am not for gun ban it’s won’t help as you said.

 

[Dave Pitman]

I didn’t read anything about that here and see no reason for you to bring politics into it.

You brought up the murder of a political figure. "War on the radical left" was repeatedly brought up by political figures that agreed with his political views. If you haven't seen them, then you've been in a cave. My comment was that they are not appropriate.

In fact, I said:
"How about it is a crime by some criminal that needs to be found and held accountable."

Apparently, you disagree? Perhaps you just want to fan flames?

 

[Dave Pitman]

You are attack in someone because you don’t agree or think they should be saying what you want. What is happening guys. It’s crazy
A simple post to just say it was a sad thing to happen, and even this small community has members that have to throw a negative slant on it. ‘What about this, what about that, he was a bad dude’
Everyones opinion is more important than anyone elses and has to be expressed…..WTF people.
Sometimes i think free speech is just ********. It doesnt exist anymore. Shame on society

Again, fanning the flames. The majority of comments are in agreement that Kirk's death was tragic, But that's not good enough for you. You don't want to also hear about the shortcomings of those that think this death is tragic. But the deaths of others are , meh.

You are labeling that calling out, an "attack". And then cry out for free speech. C'mon.

 

[Dave Pitman]

I think we should remember a few things here.
1. Guns are not the cause of violence, People with guns are.
2. Yes we have a huge problem with gun violence in our country BUT Making these weapons illegal wont do anything but make it easier for me to get one.....How easy? You can come here and bring 200 bucks and I can promise you I can get you an AK 47 right off the street within the hour.
3. If you want this violence to subside then I would suggest to the American people A NATIONAL MENTAL HEATH CARE PLAN.
So far all we have done is point fingers and blame.
Who is at fault?? WELL all of us Americans that sit and watch the news and either blame someone else or do nothing.

A priority to provide healthcare, in general, for the entire society. Now there's an idea that gets traction from about 1/2 of the voters.

 

[tstr14]

I think we should remember a few things here.
1. Guns are not the cause of violence, People with guns are.
2. Yes we have a huge problem with gun violence in our country BUT Making these weapons illegal wont do anything but make it easier for me to get one.....How easy? You can come here and bring 200 bucks and I can promise you I can get you an AK 47 right off the street within the hour.
3. If you want this violence to subside then I would suggest to the American people A NATIONAL MENTAL HEATH CARE PLAN.
So far all we have done is point fingers and blame.
Who is at fault?? WELL all of us Americans that sit and watch the news and either blame someone else or do nothing.

Mental Health Care AND a return to teaching our children values and morals. It's time the pendulum swung back the other way and the rod was re-introduced for petulant children, at home as well as in the school. I never wanted to be a teacher, but today, I would look at such an assignment as sentence to insanity, and a short one at that. Kids today treat their teachers like crap. We may not have liked our teachers, but we respected them and other adults as well. As for kids vs. kids, back then when we were going to "kill" someone, it meant we were gonna punch them in the nose, not stab them or shoot them.