Should Drones Spy on American Citizens?

[The Droning Company]

Should Drones Spy on Americans?

 

[mavic3usa]

That's fine; when the government switches parties and the shoe is on the other foot, the other side will raise the same concerns only to be blocked and it flips back and forth; result in us Americans in the center getting spied on by our own government either way. Really sad because few years ago, this wasn't even a question. My guess is few years later, this will be the norm. When I was growing up, absolutely no way would our government absolutely spy on the citizens although I'm sure it was done covertly but no one would ever openly admit to it. Today, it is overt and encouraged and practically announced. Bring on the countermeasures.

 

[Chip]

In 2013 the US Government would not say whether Predators with ARGUS or Wide Area Persistent Stare had been deployed domestically. Apparently, now its common practice.

Glimpse back 12 years:

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[mavic3usa]

I guess I don't blame them for using the military equipment at home because there's no enemy in the world to use it against any more. They have to do what they are told by their leader else they might end up in jail, doesn't matter if it's 1940 or 2040, nothing has changed. It's just sad to see these organizations go out of business as quickly as they sprang up. It's just a matter of time before DHS gets reorganized and basically neutered because they abused their role over the last 20+ years and ICE, that organization is already gone; they just don't know it yet. They can have their "fun" for a few more years but they are basically over as a law enforcement organization, they literally put themselves out of business. Expect to hear the word "abolish" used a lot in the near future. By then, the fight will carry over to the states who are currently "in progress" when it comes to building their drone fleets and we'll have to do this all over again.

 

[Felix le Chat]

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Should Drones Spy on Americans?

What really sticks in my craw with this is the blatant hypocrisy.

Two of the main lines of attack in the efforts to curb or curtail the use of privately owned camera drones revolve around:

a) breeding a climate of fear and paranoia about how they're being used by voyeuristic perverts to take pictures of your teenage daughter in her skimpies , and

b) whipping an already paranoid populace into a froth by insisting they're being used to spy on everyone and everything by the evil commies...

But, of course, because it's representatives of good old trustworthy Uncle Sam... you shouldn't worry because it's for your own good and they only look at the 'baad people'.

 

[GadgetGuy]

When our drones are banned, only the government will have drones! LOL!

 

[AnzacJack]

When I was growing up, absolutely no way would our government absolutely spy on the citizens

Your kidding yourself

 

[glocke12]

When I was growing up, absolutely no way would our government absolutely spy on the citizens although I'm sure it was done covertly but no one would ever openly admit to it. Today, it is overt and encouraged and practically announced. Bring on the countermeasures.

.gov has always spied on citizens, since the days of the revolutionary war. McCarthy era anyone ?

 

[MA2 317]

New movie coming soon.

Drones, Phones and Automobiles.

"What's watching you?" .

.

 

[bobbydoug]

That's fine; when the government switches parties and the shoe is on the other foot, the other side will raise the same concerns only to be blocked and it flips back and forth; result in us Americans in the center getting spied on by our own government either way. Really sad because few years ago, this wasn't even a question. My guess is few years later, this will be the norm. When I was growing up, absolutely no way would our government absolutely spy on the citizens although I'm sure it was done covertly but no one would ever openly admit to it. Today, it is overt and encouraged and practically announced. Bring on the countermeasures.

Right on!

 

[Apex121]

I guess I don't blame them for using the military equipment at home because there's no enemy in the world to use it against any more. They have to do what they are told by their leader else they might end up in jail, doesn't matter if it's 1940 or 2040, nothing has changed. It's just sad to see these organizations go out of business as quickly as they sprang up. It's just a matter of time before DHS gets reorganized and basically neutered because they abused their role over the last 20+ years and ICE, that organization is already gone; they just don't know it yet. They can have their "fun" for a few more years but they are basically over as a law enforcement organization, they literally put themselves out of business. Expect to hear the word "abolish" used a lot in the near future. By then, the fight will carry over to the states who are currently "in progress" when it comes to building their drone fleets and we'll have to do this all over again.

I wish this were true, however, the truth is that somebody has to stop them, and the intelligence agencies are on accountable. The people in mass don’t really have the will, or the capacity they have shown that they do not answer to the electorate. Semi question is who is going to stop them and how exactly?

 

[Ralph thompson]

.gov has always spied on citizens, since the days of the revolutionary war. McCarthy era anyone ?

And I recall in Britain in 2005 when it was uncovered that Rupert Murdoch and The Sun journalists had hacked the ‘phones of the Royal Family. You don’t think the Gov had the same and better capabilities for spying on whoever they wanted, in Britain and in the USA. Now it just more open and blatant, the US Admin doesn’t care what anyone thinks.

 

[Cafguy]

You are probably too late to have a voice in the matter and if your town or area hasnt got a Drone or two in its force you can best believe your local Government is just begging for one!
In the City of Bakersfield the Police force and also the city uses Drones. A Drone will periodically fly over and take pics for the Tax collectors, and Code enforcement is right behind. The first Drones were used here to monitor "Fireworks violators" This quickly spread to other Depts. Heck even the street people use them for stuff now. Drones will soon simply be another speck in the sky and with our busy lives we will simply "forget" the intrusion and carry on.
Pretty scary really!

 

[Army Vet]

I'm well into my 70s. Live with wife and dog on a few acres. Been flying drones for over 20 years. Ham Radio is one hobby amongst dozens that I have tried.
Not violating any zoning laws or worse. Fireworks are legal here. Along with shooting my guns in the back yard. Don't commit crimes via phone or postal service.
So, go ahead spy on me. I have nothing to hide. Especially NOT any paranoia.
Yanking and banking in SC.

 

[Chip]

Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime
Lavrentiy Beria, Chief of Joe Stalin's NKVD

 

[Chip]

So, go ahead spy on me. I have nothing to hide.

“Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”​

― Edward Snowden

 

[Army Vet]

Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime
Lavrentiy Beria, Chief of Joe Stalin's NKVD

My parents lived through Communism, Socialism, Nazism and Fascism. The USA gave them the opportunity to come to this country as legal immigrants.
So here I live free and not a self imposed victim of the boogie man.
Zooming and Booming in SC.

 

[Army Vet]

“Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”​

― Edward Snowden

My right to privacy does not include drones flying overhead. My right to free speech has never been hindered.

 

[Chip]

Could HAM radio operators fall under suspicion in event of civil war?

AI Overview


Ham radio operators can find themselves in precarious situations during civil wars, potentially facing targeting for various reasons, although targeting of civilian infrastructure and personnel is governed by international law
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Here's a breakdown of the complexities:

• Communication as a strategic asset: In armed conflicts, communication is crucial for coordinating military operations, spreading propaganda, and maintaining control over populations.
• Vulnerability of civilian communications: Civilian communication systems, including those used by ham radio operators, can be vulnerable to disruption or destruction, either intentionally or as collateral damage during attacks on military targets.
• Targeting of dual-use infrastructure: If civilian communication infrastructure (including that potentially used by ham operators) is also used by the military, it might be considered a military objective and potentially subject to attack.
• Potential for use by warring factions: Individuals with radio skills might be pressured or forced to assist one side or another in the conflict, blurring the lines between civilian and combatant roles.
• Spying and propaganda: Historical examples show individuals with radio knowledge involved in espionage activities during wartime, raising concerns about the potential for ham radio use for such purposes.
• Disruption and control: Disabling communication infrastructure can help control information flow and hinder the ability of opposing forces or civilian populations to organize, communicate, and react.

Why does anyone need a HAM radio? Who are you talking to and why? You are saying you also launch drones and discharge firearms from your property?