St Lawrence Church ? Hell fire

[Pacefast]

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This is s complete re work of my Hell fire video on request of the Church !
The 3 Hellfire caves , The Church Golden ball and Family burial ground are all inter connected !
This video is highlighting the Church and I have interior Shots of the 18 century italian art still to do and add to the video to complete !
Please pull it apart , make recommendations etc ! Where in the video should I put the interior etc

Thanks

Peter

 

[AeroJ]

The addition of (supremely tasteful and magnificently appropriate) music to that has made ALL the difference. I was actually emotionally affected by the video this time !

As far as shot lengths and choices go I would try and make those even more connected with the music by tying fade outs / transitions to timing elements within the music. I don't mean on a strict bar by bar basis, but I mean following the flow of the phrasing, so that your shots close and fade as a musical phrase also comes to an end. And although your current transitions aren't bad you can make them more varied and impactful by swapping a few out for fades to black, small pause, and back in again with a different one.

Presumably because you are still deciding on final edit choices, we go a bit wrong when the music fades out early and we are left with silence until it restarts (restarting the same thing also not ideal !).

What I like to do where you have to use more than 1 track (and you can't edit footage down enough to fit it (or seamlessly extend the music, which is easier than you might imagine) is also record 10 mins of ambient sound at the site (just on a phone app is fine (and before drone launches) and then play that back at low volume throughout the entire video (except the inside shots), so that when the soundtrack fades off briefly, or transitions into a new one it can 'fall back' to relaxing birdsong and countryside sounds, which is much less jarring than sudden silence. Also don't do music fades quickly - it is totally fine (and classy) to take 10-15 full seconds fading out a track so it transitions more beautifully into countryside ambience. And more than just setting a fade time, customise them so they have nice 'hysteresis' and natural (non-linear) curve to the fades.

As for where you might insert the ground-based internal shots, again, I would try and identify sections in the music where a new theme is brought in, or the chord sequence shifts, which will subtly blend and underscore the shift between aerial footage and not. You can better define the shift between aerial footage and not by fading to and from black rather than transitioning. I aim for 3-4 second fades out, and 1-2 second fade-ins, which 'feel' comfortable and unhurried to the viewer. Hopefully you can sense that there should be no jump-cuts anywhere in this video (with possible exception of intro and exit cards); everything should fade, transition or glide like your flying machine does in the footage !

I would also do a separate edit much in the vein of the above, but tweaked to perfection that is just the aerials, because they are so good.

Hope that helps.

 

[Pacefast]

Aero J

Wow so much fantastic advice, Thank you so much !
Music editing is a big weak spot of mine I often find trying to extend s track comes back with faults in the track and being honest I do not have a clue how to time the music to the video .
I still have the inside to do so the existing music will all have to be adjusted to fit maybe an extra 1 minute to the video !
Where do you get music from and what editing program !
I use Filmora for visual editing as I know my way around that program but not wildly impressed with the audio editing !
As for the flying I absolutely never use automatics as a prefer instant control tending to fly close in many situations

Again thanks

Peter

 

[Pacefast]

On the bit you thought was silent I added wind noise but maybe turned it down too much ! I do record sounds now

 

[AeroJ]

I do not have a clue how to time the music to the video .

No, we're doing it the other way round - timing the video to the music, because a) it is a lot easier to change clip lengths and speeds without anyone noticing, and b) because good music tends to have phrasing and rhythmic components (even when there are no drums) that have a natural and pleasing flow already, and we would interrupt the composition / structure of that if were we to try and change things too much in the soundtrack. Besides, if it's there let's use it, which will also make any music feel part of the video rather than 'just some track' you plonked on top of it afterwards !

I may make you a short video if I get time later to explain briefly how to listen to, analyse and recognize timing and phrasing within music, which isn't something non-musicians ever really consciously have cause to do... or you may feel this is just above and beyond what you care about with music, in which case... I won't !

Where do you get music from and what editing program !

I can cheat in that department in that I've been writing film music for years and play loads of instruments, which I record in Cubase. However I am not going to recommend that to you unless you want to write and record your own stuff ! Getting original music from somewhere else is certainly quicker ! And of course there are stock libraries, but I find most of those too expensive on a monthly basis for my hobby stuff (would be fine for client stuff though - just charge them instead!), so I tend to drift over to places like bandcamp, type in a few suitable keywords (epic, emotional, soundtrack, orchestral, piano etc etc) find an artist whose ideas I really like, buy a couple of their albums to support them, then write to them, tell them you did that, and ask if they mind you putting them on your video (with credit). Nearly every one of those I have asked has been pleased to be asked, and has given their permission, though in my case that might be because my vids aren't monetised. YMMV !! There is also a lot of genuinely free stuff around, but I find that is of deeply variable quality, so tend not to bother.

I use Filmora for visual editing as I know my way around that program but not wildly impressed with the audio editing !

DaVinci Resolve is generally accepted to be the best video editor on the planet right now and it's free (H.264, 8-bit, 4K30), or only 270 quid for a perma-licence if you want to edit 10-bit video using H.265/ D-Log etc etc. In addition to its insanely good editor and grading tools it also features a similarly powerful audio editor as well, which is much more suited to sound editing than it is composing it. For example it is very easy to have 5 audio tracks going on, with different SFX / foley-type stuff going on along with multiple music tracks, which you can make 'auto-duck' (for example) under any post-flight narration you may want to record directly in the program ! Here you can also 'Normalize' multiple music tracks so that they are all at the same general level, and perform pretty much whatever level of audio wizardry you and your video demands !

On the bit you thought was silent I added wind noise but maybe turned it down too much ! I do record sounds now

Lols - 2 things conspiring against me there - 1) it was 4 am when I was watching your vid, so had the sound very low, and 2) 30 years of gigging have decimated my ears to the sort of levels where wind would have to be quite loud for me to notice it !

 

[Pacefast]

Great info and thankfully still incomplete so have s chance to get the music right

 

[DiscoverSpain]

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This is s complete re work of my Hell fire video on request of the Church !
The 3 Hellfire caves , The Church Golden ball and Family burial ground are all inter connected !
This video is highlighting the Church and I have interior Shots of the 18 century italian art still to do and add to the video to complete !
Please pull it apart , make recommendations etc ! Where in the video should I put the interior etc

Thanks

Peter

Here's my honest opinion, and I hope you take it that way (a lot of people don't like criticism).

By the way, I haven’t fully read the comments on the post, so I might be repeating things that have already been mentioned.

The first thing that catches my attention, right at the beginning of the video, is that you start with two scenes that aren’t very engaging and the color grading isn’t great. I think the beginning of a video is the most important part since many people will decide whether to keep watching or not in the first few seconds.

The second thing I noticed are the scenes where the camera moves up, then down, or to the side, or... I suggest you make scenes where the movement is continuous, smooth, and always in the same direction.

Third, there’s a lack of stabilization in many shots (the movement isn’t smooth). I don’t know if the video editor you’re using allows you to do this, but any more powerful one (like Davinci Resolve, as someone suggested) can handle it.

Fourth, the static images. They kind of break the flow of the video. I’d try to give them a slight zoom effect, moving them a bit in some direction to add some dynamism.

In the scenes at 0:28, 3:26, 3:45, ... I can clearly see you’ve zoomed in due to the loss of image quality (not sure if you used the camera zoom or did it in editing).

Fifth, the scenes are almost all too long and repetitive: I see the same thing many times throughout the video.

Sixth, there’s inconsistency in color, brightness, contrast, saturation, and sharpness in many scenes. Try to make all the scenes similar in these parameters.

Overall, the color grading in almost all scenes could be much better.

As a final piece of advice, I’d say choose the best scenes, take the clips with continuous movement (speed and direction), and edit a much shorter video, no more than 60 seconds, or it will start to get very repetitive. But you know, there's no accounting for taste.

 

[Pacefast]

Points taken ! The first two scenes were not done with a Drone.
The entrance to Hell Fire caves were done with a cheap lsnd camera ! I will redo with the drone but after they close !
The clips do need cutting down furthrr !
Its work in motion so thanks points taken


Peter

 

[Lets Fly]

Great job, nice video. The post #7s fifth opinion is what I agree with and didn't care for also.

 

[Pacefast]

The final version will be cut down further and some of rhe orbits around the Golden ball removed !
The Entry shot of Hell fire caves were not done by Drone, so they will be scrapped and drone footage of the Front of Hell fire added which will have to be when Hell fire is closed and away from their land TO / LND
Many really good comments and posted here for those comments not an ego trip

 

[GFields]

Over all, I think the video is good. You have received some very good pointers.

 

[Pacefast]

The version for the Church will be complete soon with deletions, additions and interior shots and yes have taken the advice here

 

[sarahb]

Pretty good video. I agree with DiscoverSpain, "the scenes are almost all too long and repetitive: I see the same thing many times throughout the video."