Well the madness has started and the FBI is on the hunt

[MAvic_South_Oz]

If the government ever required this and forced retailers to implement it, sales would drop to next to nothing. They wouldn’t even waste the floor space on a small display

I know.
The main reason for posting that is that it would be the only way to (as best possible) control drones, ensure people know the rules with basic knowledge etc, and that they will register to a countries requirements, knowing if they muck up either intentionally or blatantly they will more likely be found and prosecuted.

Otherwise, it's the 90 - 95% of us that generally do the right thing that suffer, the cowboys (no offence to real cowboys here) will still do what they want, where, and when they want, without needing to register, use remote ID, etc etc.

Just like road speed limits being dropped, and dropped, due to roads deaths from high speed accidents . . . but the speeders will still speed excessively, it's the law abiding that get inconvenienced.
You could apply this to drink driving, guns ownership, just about everything laws and rules can be applied to.

The real BEST answer is appropriately punish outright law breakers when caught, none of this modern PC garbage we see now in most courts of law Worldwide.

For this to work in civilised society, laws / rules have to make sense, be relative to the particular social risk, not be 'too over the top' in their control.
That can be an issue.

 

[Camino Ken]

Difference Between Ignorance and Stupidity. The intrinsic difference is that ignorance simply implies a lack of awareness about something, while stupidity denotes the inability of a person to understand something due to insufficient intelligence, thus leading to the misinterpretation of a fact.

Thanks, I knew that, that’s why I asked the question. I thought everyone new the definitions.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Prohibiting flight would be firmware based, but a warning can be app based.
Go 3 is still updated once in a while.

Indeed, but why update the app, if you aren't updating the FW? I don't on my devices. They are completely sandboxed for each aircraft, with all auto-updates turned off. If it ain’t broke, don't go fixin' it! Earlier aircraft still work on DJI GO.

 

[Davros007]

Overall though, it would be interesting to know the ‘safety’ they talk about is actually an issue... like, sure, there is a risk. But does the math really add up? I mean, what is this public safety risk they go on about, compared to the risk posed by a kids kite, someone throwing a rock, a car driving, a canoe... I do sometimes feel like the drone community just takes it, when maybe we should be more like, “OK, we care, but where is the data?”. For example, flying away from housing with lights, at night. What is the big deal? Flying near (not over or above crowds) the super bowl - whatever it’s called, I mean, at a beach, why is it an issue? Sounds like over-regulation to me. Of course, I’d obey the ruling - but I just twitch a bit with bans etc. that could potentially be knee-jerk. If you don’t stand up, one time it’s temporary, next it’s permanent, next, the ease of which it occurs becomes quicker. I think there is a lot of ‘drone fear’ fuelling these things.

 

[Davros007]

Pretty easy to see the number at 77 if the NFZ extends 30 miles from the stadium. You could be flying in your back yard and get caught up in it. Doesn't mean anything will happen to all of them. The NFZ is setup for planes that could could reach the stadium in less than 5 minutes, not a 1/2 pound drone taking real estate pictures 5 towns away.

And in all honesty, if it’s to do with nut-job terrorists, the NFZ will impede them so much... NOT. It’s just political BS to make people feel safe.

 

[Classic flyer]

I have a coworker that got a cheap, non-DJI Drone for Christmas. He was having problems with it randomly flying off. I don't think it's GPS (if it even has one) s working. His first flight was in his backyard. Here's where it gets interesting. He lives under the Class Delta for the local airport (I fly there and I don't want drones in that airspace). I showed him the AirMap app and we looked his place up... 0 feet agl is what he is allowed. If nobody tells you that the drone you bought can't be flown in some locations, how does a non-pilot or first time pilot know. The mfg should let their customers know.

That being said, this is the reason the FAA wants to require a pilot training program...IMO this is a good thing, remember KNOWLEDGE IS POWER...be smart fly safe

 

[badgenes]

We may never know since “ignorance of the law is no excuse”

UNLESS you are a Federal Employee, appointed cabinet member or elected official. See: James Comey determination re: Hillary Clinton, IG Horowitz's determination re: James Comey, et. al.

For us, the rabble, you are absolutely correct. Sad that in a country founded on the basis of equal treatment under the law this is where we have arrived.

 

[Classic flyer]

UNLESS you are a Federal Employee, appointed cabinet member or elected official. See: James Comey determination re: Hillary Clinton, IG Horowitz's determination re: James Comey, et. al.

For us, the rabble, you are absolutely correct. Sad that in a country founded on the basis of equal treatment under the law this is where we have arrived.

And that's of because of the COMMUNIST(SOCIALIST) INSURGENCY that has taken place over the past 40 yrs...JMO

 

[R. Howard Trembly]

I, for one, would like to know if it was ignorance or stupidity?

He's retarded or just plain stupid.

 

[Drgnfli]

Overall though, it would be interesting to know the ‘safety’ they talk about is actually an issue... like, sure, there is a risk. But does the math really add up? I mean, what is this public safety risk they go on about, compared to the risk posed by a kids kite, someone throwing a rock, a car driving, a canoe... I do sometimes feel like the drone community just takes it, when maybe we should be more like, “OK, we care, but where is the data?”. For example, flying away from housing with lights, at night. What is the big deal? Flying near (not over or above crowds) the super bowl - whatever it’s called, I mean, at a beach, why is it an issue? Sounds like over-regulation to me. Of course, I’d obey the ruling - but I just twitch a bit with bans etc. that could potentially be knee-jerk. If you don’t stand up, one time it’s temporary, next it’s permanent, next, the ease of which it occurs becomes quicker. I think there is a lot of ‘drone fear’ fuelling these things.

Agree 1000%! ! ! How many horrible accidents have drones caused? Minimal to NONE! What is the expected amount? IAW the FAA, zero, nada, none! It'll never happen! There will be "accidents" - it is called LIFE! Droners are getting punished for what MIGHT happen!

 

[MAvic_South_Oz]

I think there is a lot of ‘drone fear’ fuelling these things.

Of course, media loves drone stories, and the more sensationalising, the more clicks.
Advertising revenue has overtaken factual news reporting in modern times.

There are plenty of facts out there, and the limited confirmed drone incidents are extremely low for the amount of drone flights.
Near misses are way below what one would expect.
I posted this on another thread a few days ago, some of the reports around make good reading, others from the anti drone tool sites make every little report out to be fact to create fear of drones . . . ever seen this ?

Map of Global Drone Incidents by Dedrone Anti-Drone / CUAS Solution

Learn about the latest and most impactful drone-related incidents and intrusions from around the world at the Dedrone Anti-Drone Incident Center.

www.dedrone.com

Their youtube channel has many dramatic videos, designed to create fear of what is likely a miniscule problem.
I won't post links or click their vids any longer, gives their channel and videos more power on searches.

It was quite remarkable how few proven UAV / quad etc incidents there were, how many suspected incidents unproven, and other causes like balloons etc.

Wikipedia has a reasonably compiled list that gives a similar insight . . .

List of unmanned aerial vehicle-related incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not all of these are UAV / quad as we know them, ie the military drones listed.

Probably reasonably accurate, at least as far as other docs would be too, some with possible bias like the anti drone tool companies reporting suspect drone sightings / incidents / near misses as fact.

 

[Drgnfli]

Of course, media loves drone stories, and the more sensationalising, the more clicks.
Advertising revenue has overtaken factual news reporting in modern times.

There are plenty of facts out there, and the limited confirmed drone incidents are extremely low for the amount of drone flights.
Near misses are way below what one would expect.
I posted this on another thread a few days ago, some of the reports around make good reading, others from the anti drone tool sites make every little report out to be fact to create fear of drones . . . ever seen this ?

Map of Global Drone Incidents by Dedrone Anti-Drone / CUAS Solution

Learn about the latest and most impactful drone-related incidents and intrusions from around the world at the Dedrone Anti-Drone Incident Center.

www.dedrone.com

Their youtube channel has many dramatic videos, designed to create fear of what is likely a miniscule problem.
I won't post links or click their vids any longer, gives their channel and videos more power on searches.

It was quite remarkable how few proven UAV / quad etc incidents there were, how many suspected incidents unproven, and other causes like balloons etc.

Wikipedia has a reasonably compiled list that gives a similar insight . . .

List of unmanned aerial vehicle-related incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not all of these are UAV / quad as we know them, ie the military drones listed.

Probably reasonably accurate, at least as far as other docs would be too, some with possible bias like the anti drone tool companies reporting suspect drone sightings / incidents / near misses as fact.

Hi Mavic South! Thankx for your research into the subject. Yeah! I got bored about halfway thru the list reading about the "incidents" & the "close calls" & the "sightings" of those deadly drones flying all over the world causing fear & shock where ever they were sighted. What BS! I will keep that link available to keep myself updated with all the drone disasters around the world - Thankx!

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[Fearless Flight]

Agree 1000%! ! ! How many horrible accidents have drones caused? Minimal to NONE! What is the expected amount? IAW the FAA, zero, nada, none! It'll never happen! There will be "accidents" - it is called LIFE! Droners are getting punished for what MIGHT happen!

Then consider there are 8 million drones in the US and only 1 million planes. The number of drone incidents is minute.

 

[MAvic_South_Oz]

Then consider there are 8 million drones in the US and only 1 million planes. The number of drone incidents is minute.

Look at fatal light airplane / airline crashes Worldwide . . . doesn't include helicopter or other aircraft like hot air balloons from what I can see.

Worst accidents | Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives

www.baaa-acro.com

Not sure if this is a complete list.
That's 264 + pages x 100 crashes per page.

I stopped looking at 50 pages, that's 5000 crashes, and the fatalities on those were in the number of 7 lives lost.
Not sure how many more pages of 100 crashes until it's nil fatals, the lists go on for total of 26, 437 crashes / 155,899 fatalities.

I googled drone crash fatal and best I could find was this . . .

Woman dies in ‘first drone-related accidental death’

Scotland Yard said officers were investigating reports of a drone being flown near Wandsworth Prison when the crash occurred

www.independent.co.uk

Really a vehicle accident, and quite possibly due to criminal activity, be it with or without a drone involved.
Obviously the death had nothing at all to do with a drone, but a typical news article trying to make it drone related.

Be interesting to know if there has been even 1 fatality from a drone, be it other aircraft related or someone on the ground etc.
Quite a big portion of the suspected drone incidents remain unproven, like Gatwick, which was a big deal last year.

 

[NJInfrared]

new regs on drone flights will not stop criminals just like gun regs/law will not stop the criminals.

 

[DroningOn]

new regs on drone flights will not stop criminals just like gun regs/law will not stop the criminals.

But the regs aren’t there to stop criminals. Just like gun laws, they’re there to stop (control) the law abiding.

 

[Bob4131]

Just a general question (I honestly have no idea what the answer is) but how close to the residence of "
Xi Jinping " can you fly aircraft (nonmilitary)? Not just UAS but civilian manned aircraft (Cessna 182 for instance)?

What kind of distance would you suggest we modify the White House NFZ to?

How long do you think we need advanced warning to protect our POTUS from a nefarious aircraft? Remember we need to detect, alert, intercept, and potentially take action BEFORE the aircraft is directly over the POTUS?

How long does it take even the slowest of today's manned aircraft to cover a 50nm distance?

Why are you asking someone in Vietnam about Chinese UAV laws? Just wondering......

 

[strdr]

Were the guys pics any good? Just curious.

 

[BigAl07]

Why are you asking someone in Vietnam about Chinese UAV laws? Just wondering......

I just chose another leader of another country. I don't remember how/why I chose that one but it could have been any industrialized country in the world.

 

[Drgnfli]

...Really a vehicle accident, and quite possibly due to criminal activity, be it with or without a drone involved.
Obviously the death had nothing at all to do with a drone, but a typical news article trying to make it drone related.

Be interesting to know if there has been even 1 fatality from a drone, be it other aircraft related or someone on the ground etc.
Quite a big portion of the suspected drone incidents remain unproven, like Gatwick, which was a big deal last year.

Thank you for your input - good research!

UAV flyers are running scared from all the prejudiced & unfounded fake reports & even those incorrect reports only take up some infinitesimal amount like .01%, but we have to be so much more careful while flying our toys. But, YO, I follow all the rules, use LAANC to fly near my Class D airport, check for TFRs when out in the boonies (why?), keep it within LOS, below 400' (Phooey, I keep it below 150' about 90% of the time), so why will I be "punished" in the future with an expensive "ID" requirement on my next drone? As usual, a "government" entity will make up the laws/rules/regulations that will inhibit the casual hobbyist & kill the fun of one of the greatest inventions of the century!

Oh! And BTW... All of the above words are IMHO because I have seen "government" in ACTION for a few years during my lifetime (77)! And I would say ROFLMAO about now, but it is NOT FUNNY AT ALL !...

(Thank you for listening, I'll now get off my soapbox!)
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