DJI Mavic, Air and Mini Drones
Friendly, Helpful & Knowledgeable Community
Join Us Now

Anyone have success getting NPS Special Use Permits?

WilliamDaugherty

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2020
Messages
117
Reactions
90
Location
Plainfield, New Hampshire, USA
Site
drone-artist.com
Yesterday I met a retired NPS site director who encouraged me to contact his successor in order to obtain a Special Use Permit to fly at a specific park. I'm curious if anyone else here has done this and if so, were there any gotchas or things I should avoid? The retired fellow has been a fan of my work for some time and asked me why I hadn't flown there before. I explained that I thought it was universally forbidden and he assured me it is not.

So...anyone with experience?
 
Yes I have heard of people being granted permission to fly in National Park but it's probably quite a lot to go thru if you have to obtain a Special Use Permit from documentation to flight plans to time to perhaps a fee. Probably easier to just show up and ask someone if you can fly for a hour or two in a remote location and hope for the best. Perhaps your site director was friendly however it is pretty much forbidden at the more popular parks but he might be right when it comes to the badlands or denali or other parks and there are some nationals where it is allowed (i.e. red rock).
 
Yes I have heard of people being granted permission to fly in National Park but it's probably quite a lot to go thru if you have to obtain a Special Use Permit from documentation to flight plans to time to perhaps a fee. Probably easier to just show up and ask someone if you can fly for a hour or two in a remote location and hope for the best. Perhaps your site director was friendly however it is pretty much forbidden at the more popular parks but he might be right when it comes to the badlands or denali or other parks and there are some nationals where it is allowed (i.e. red rock).
I'm hoping to find someone here that has actually done it. As for "showing up and asking to fly" I would never even consider doing that. I have a very good working relationship with the all the FSDOs where I operate as well as airport managers and ATC. Same goes for local and state law enforcement and the FAA waiver office. All that said, I am not about to jeopardize my reputation needlessly. I'm very comfortable providing detailed flight procedures and mitigation protocols for a worthy mission. In this case, these are two sites I've wanted to film for years and had basically given up until yesterday.

FYI, NPS is barred statutorily from collecting any fees for photography/videography which extends to drones apparently.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MARK (LI) and AlanL
I'm hoping to find someone here that has actually done it. As for "showing up and asking to fly" I would never even consider doing that. I have a very good working relationship with the all the FSDOs where I operate as well as airport managers and ATC. Same goes for local and state law enforcement and the FAA waiver office. All that said, I am not about to jeopardize my reputation needlessly. I'm very comfortable providing detailed flight procedures and mitigation protocols for a worthy mission. In this case, these are two sites I've wanted to film for years and had basically given up until yesterday.

FYI, NPS is barred statutorily from collecting any fees for photography/videography which extends to drones apparently.
For a commercial projects, no doubt. As a recreational flyer, it doesn't hurt to ask. For sure if you have a project in mind, you want to do it right. I would say you stand a much better chance at getting approval than most.

I recall NPS charging individuals for taking commercial photos with their DSLR and it's been back and forth so I'm not sure where it landed, perhaps you've seen this:

[not me, not my video]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
A few years ago, Colorado National Monument's cooperating association (the folks who run the bookstore) commissioned a contractor to produce a new audiovisual program to be shown in the Visitor Center auditorium. The contractor, who had been awarded an Emmy for another monument project, wanted to include some aerial drone footage in the new production. I recall that he and the cooperating association had to jump through a lot of hoops before getting permission, and the process took months. I have no idea how far up the chain of command the process had to go. A former chief ranger (long retired) at the monument, I accompanied him on the day of the shoot. We spent more than three hours lugging equipment in and out of the site (in a proposed wilderness area), and the contractor spent just a few minutes shooting the aerial footage he wanted.

Strictly a recreational flyer, I live less than a mile from the 20,450-acre monument and have never been tempted to fly my drone across the boundary. I haven't even flown close enough to trigger a geospatial warning.
 
Most of my state IS a national park. The biggest concern the Park service has here is your Batteries. when they hit the ground they have a nasty habit of creating a fireball. The next thing will be any Wildlife sanctuaries. I have a friend that has flown in a few National parks with permission. I do know it takes Months and months and you need a truckload of paperwork. NO harm in Trying OR ASKING I have a great shot I took with my Drone at the gate of a national park. I simply asked the ranger at the gate and she allowed me to do it in front of her straight up and down. Very nice Ranger.
If you want the info from the horses mouth...... here you go....
 
  • Like
Reactions: mavic3usa
Most of my state IS a national park. The biggest concern the Park service has here is your Batteries. when they hit the ground they have a nasty habit of creating a fireball. The next thing will be any Wildlife sanctuaries. I have a friend that has flown in a few National parks with permission. I do know it takes Months and months and you need a truckload of paperwork. NO harm in Trying OR ASKING I have a great shot I took with my Drone at the gate of a national park. I simply asked the ranger at the gate and she allowed me to do it in front of her straight up and down. Very nice Ranger.
If you want the info from the horses mouth...... here you go....
Of course, it's OK to ask the folks who operate the entrance stations, but they really aren't qualified to answer. Their job is to collect fees and dispense information about local attractions and perhaps the availability of campsites, but they have no law enforcement expertise, responsibility, or authority. I should hope that they'd refer visitor inquiries about possible UAV use to a more qualified authority. In your instance, permission to launch and retrieve just outside the park boundary requires no permission at all. The park's authority stops at its boundaries. Launching outside and then flying into the park's airspace, however, may be more problematic, given that regulations prohibit launching, retrieving, and operation. What constitutes operation may be subject to interpretation. Furthermore, specific regulations prohibiting wildlife disturbance and the creation of intrusive audible nuisances may come into play. In the event of a violation resulting in citation, the courts would be the final arbiters. Are some parks equipped to monitor RID? I don't know.

In accordance with the general regulation (36 CFR 1.5) governing user activities in the parks, each park superintendent is authorized to establish a compendium of additional restrictions particular to the area under his or her jurisdiction based on local concerns and resource and visitor vulnerabilities. In other words, one size does not fit all. In seeking permission, you'd need to at least ask a commissioned law enforcement ranger at each park, who, in turn, would probably want to check with his or her superiors before granting permission. In 14 CFR 107.45, the FAA recognizes and adopts the restrictions and prohibitions imposed by other agencies, such as the National Park Service.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cafguy
To me, it's just like any other location where you are dealing with "employees"....if they can ask you to STOP then they can give you to OK not that it makes it alright or you are officially legal but I would feel fine to proceed with something simple (not a complex operation) just as I would cease if one of those same persons (or higher) walked up to me and asked me to desist. I'm not the type of person to question who has sufficient authority over the property unless it is plainly obvious they don't but in the NP if you are wearing a uniform and you have a badge, that should be enough. Clearly if you are given contradictory or supposed incorrect information then you take the steps to resolve but not ignore. Unless you are in the public domain like the sidewalk or an easement or traditional public spaces (like the steps of city hall or the city park) then sometimes you gotta know when to push back or when to hold. Park rangers are allowed to strictly control their domain under time, place, and manner and at this point, that includes the NP property.
 
No one is equipped to monitor RID only FAA persons with special equipment can see RID. So noone can see your drone as it flys in the air. not even the atc. If you get caught tho you are violating dozens of regs.
My understanding is that there are readily available apps for Android and Apple phones that can detect RID signals. I have no idea how effective those apps are, but the technology is widely available not only to agencies that perceive a need for it, but also to every Tom, ****, and Harry.
 

DJI Drone Deals

New Threads

Forum statistics

Threads
134,565
Messages
1,596,302
Members
163,065
Latest member
kyle465
Want to Remove this Ad? Simply login or create a free account