Drone pilot to plead guilty in collision that grounded aircraft fighting Palisades fire

[High_Order1]

oops, cut off another salient part

 

[GadgetGuy]

PMS 520 begs to differ

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Thanks for sharing the illustration. I didn't word my post well. What I was trying to say is illustrated in your post. There is no drone zone in the stack around the FTA, and the FTA owns the entire airspace over the FTA area. No one else can legally transit it at any altitude. Clearly, the Super Scooper was in the FTA zone likely dropping water when it hit the drone flying below 400 feet AGL.

 

[High_Order1]

The guide discusses integrating UAS traffic into those areas.

The only reason I debate this is that there was another 'interaction' where the .gov was trying to pin a rotary wing strike onto the rec drone types.
Then it was learned it was a Tx Hwy Patrol on an autonomous return to home flight, in an approved corridor.

We had some coverage here, but when I went back to look, all the supporting articles were 404'd for some reason, leaving me to try to massage those brain cells.

The graphic seems to suggest different types of aircraft have different layers to live in, and the scooper in that diagram has a minimum altitude.

Ah well

 

[GadgetGuy]

The guide discusses integrating UAS traffic into those areas.

The only reason I debate this is that there was another 'interaction' where the .gov was trying to pin a rotary wing strike onto the rec drone types.
Then it was learned it was a Tx Hwy Patrol on an autonomous return to home flight, in an approved corridor.

We had some coverage here, but when I went back to look, all the supporting articles were 404'd for some reason, leaving me to try to massage those brain cells.

The graphic seems to suggest different types of aircraft have different layers to live in, and the scooper in that diagram has a minimum altitude.

Ah well

I think you are conflating orbiting and maneuvering with water dropping. As I understand it, the Super Scoopers fly as low to the ground as they can in the FTA zone, in order to drop the water as accurately as possible. No UAS flights should ever be in that same water drop zone.

 

[High_Order1]

I agree there should be nothing else in the stack and corridor of a drop.

But it then begs the question, was the scooper dropping? If not, he may not have been where he was supposed to be. Irrelevant when the operator admits he lost visual, but

 

[GadgetGuy]

I agree there should be nothing else in the stack and corridor of a drop.

But it then begs the question, was the scooper dropping? If not, he may not have been where he was supposed to be. Irrelevant when the operator admits he lost visual, but

I strongly suspect the scooper was in the FTA zone, entering to drop or exiting after a drop. There is no claim that the drone pilot was also exceeding 400 feet AGL, so they were in the same under 400 foot AGL airspace. The real issue isn't losing VLOS. It is that he never should have been in that airspace at any altitude, and had he been paying proper visual attention to the area that he was flying toward, even if he couldn’t see the drone itself, he should certainly have seen and heard the scooper, and known to immediately hit the deck, and get the heck out of there.

 

[mavic3usa]

This one I can get behind the intent of the law 100%. Declared wildfire, no drones allowed, TFR, absolutely take down drone that is interfering. It's about time something is done about this rather than just stand down and pretend you are helpless just to be able to blame the entire drone community. Let's get this done and then we can stop complaining that the reason we can't fight these fires and prevent them from spreading is because of "nosy pilots with their hobby drones trying to cool fire pics so they can get clicks for Instagram" nonsense. Hopefully this will shut down that stupidity.

Congress Wants Counter-Drone Powers At Wildfires, Not Just Stadiums

Three days after the House passed the SAFER SKIES Act authorizing local police to take down drones at stadiums, a bipartisan group of lawmakers quietly

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[Blue Thunder Pilot]

...giving firefighters and federal agencies the same drone-killing capabilities that local police just received for sporting events.

I haven't followed this thread lately. What are those capabilities?

What would the elements be that entitle counter-drone action? I'd like to think just being in the TFR area would be enough. No retirement to be 'in the way' or 'too close', etc.

Cross the line, 'Splash one!'

What options for take down are there? EMP gun, water cannon, tiny AIM-9 from tiny Reaper?

I jest of course but am curios as to how it would be done. And a tiny missile for a tiny Reaper would be way cool.

 

[GadgetGuy]

This one I can get behind the intent of the law 100%. Declared wildfire, no drones allowed, TFR, absolutely take down drone that is interfering. It's about time something is done about this rather than just stand down and pretend you are helpless just to be able to blame the entire drone community. Let's get this done and then we can stop complaining that the reason we can't fight these fires and prevent them from spreading is because of "nosy pilots with their hobby drones trying to cool fire pics so they can get clicks for Instagram" nonsense. Hopefully this will shut down that stupidity.

Congress Wants Counter-Drone Powers At Wildfires, Not Just Stadiums

Three days after the House passed the SAFER SKIES Act authorizing local police to take down drones at stadiums, a bipartisan group of lawmakers quietly

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"The specific options listed include counter-drone radio towers, the use of reasonable force to disable, damage, or destroy drones, seizure using net devices, and educational materials"

I vote for more "educational materials" only. LOL!