First member of public to have a go.

[Max Headroom]

I'd rather be flying somewhere else than arguing about whether I can fly there.

As would I but if you are already flying in what you know is a place you are allowed to fly why let one of these oxygen stealers ruin your day?

There's a good chance that it will prompt an "Oh, yeah? Let's call the police and see." response which will certainly be time consuming and almost certainly unpleasant.

I would be more than happy explaining to the police that Karen or Ken has just wasted their time we are not like America here we have few police and they are overstretched to put it mildly they would not be too please if called out because a member of the public thought i was in the wrong.

 

[MS Coast]

the ignorant b##ch refused

I was standing my ground against a rude woman

she came at me like a bull

the next Karen or Ken that approaches me in the same manner and ruins my day when I know I am in the right will wish they hadn't.

This must have been very traumatic for you. It sounds like you're primed for some consequential retaliation against the next person who says they don't like you flying at a private meditation center without permission.

 

[Max Headroom]

It sounds like you've primed for some consequential retaliation against the next person who says they don't like you flying at a private meditation center without permission

If I wanted confrontation especially with the woman who spoke to me I could go back this weekend park on the main road and film for as long as i wanted but i am not out for confrontation whatever you think.

 

[Split-Infinitive]

Not for me i live in the lake district


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Thats not how it works or means at all.
That doesnt mean its public land with default right of access for all activities. (Quite the opposite in fact given most of the area is tenure farmer and others).

There is very little public land anywhere in the Lake District. The LDNP owns very very little (Land ownership in the Lake District).
Most of the rest is National Trust (no drones), farmers, utility companies (private, permission required). Even PRoWs are foot access by agreement and dont by default permit drone operation.

 

[Split-Infinitive]

This is not relevant It's illegal to hog the middle lane if the lane to the left (in UK) is clear its not illegal to fly a sub 250g drone over private property.

Not strictly true. Data protection laws, privacy laws and the ANO all put clauses as to the use.

Civil Aviation Actt 1982:

landowner's rights generally extend only to the airspace reasonably necessary for the ordinary use and enjoyment of their land and the structures upon it.

Which does impose a limit.

CAP722

reasonable height and in accordance with aviation regulations is generally not considered trespass simply by virtue of being in the airspace above the property.

Privacy rules when flying drones | UK Civil Aviation Authority goes into detail of DPA/GDPR.

So you can fly over but arent free to do whatever you like. An overflight at 100m to get past it is likely perfectly legal.

A low flight, hover or orbit a fixed part of it filming likely would not be.

Doesnt matter who asks or how they ask, the law still applies even if they're annoying.

 

[Max Headroom]

Thats not how it works or means at all.
That doesnt mean its public land with default right of access for all activities. (Quite the opposite in fact given most of the area is tenure farmer and others).

There is very little public land anywhere in the Lake District. The LDNP owns very very little (Land ownership in the Lake District).
Most of the rest is National Trust (no drones), farmers, utility companies (private, permission required). Even PRoWs are foot access by agreement and dont by default permit drone operation.

Evert beauty spot I would want to video with my sub 250g drone has roads running through or past it I don't need permission to fly from the roof of my car.

 

[Max Headroom]

Not strictly true

I didnt dother to read that you are clearly chasing the pedant of the week award, I think it's yours.

 

[Felix le Chat]

Thats not how it works or means at all.
That doesnt mean its public land with default right of access for all activities. (Quite the opposite in fact given most of the area is tenure farmer and others).

There is very little public land anywhere in the Lake District. The LDNP owns very very little (Land ownership in the Lake District).
Most of the rest is National Trust (no drones), farmers, utility companies (private, permission required). Even PRoWs are foot access by agreement and dont by default permit drone operation.

"...Even PRoWs are foot access by agreement and don't by default permit drone operation..."

True... true... But unless there are specific notices prohibiting specific behaviours - permissioned access to traditional public footpaths crossing privately owned land doesn't forbid it either.

The blue notice board states clearly "...everyone welcome..." and then shows 'icons' for permissioned parking, rambling, dog walking, etc.

 

[Split-Infinitive]

Evert beauty spot I would want to video with my sub 250g drone has roads running through or past it I don't need permission to fly from the roof of my car.

That again is legally incorrect. Your car is pretty often on private land which would require permission (albeit implied if its main public).

The road is generally owned by highways or the council.

 

[Split-Infinitive]

I didnt dother to read that you are clearly chasing the pedant of the week award, I think it's yours.

The law is not pedantic. You couldnt be arsed to read purely because the contents directly contradict the view you want to be true. The head-in-the-sand approach really does nothing. The laws exist whether you choose to know them or not. Just because they dont suit you doesnt mean they dont apply.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding (possibly deliberate) as to the laws. In the UK generally there is very little public land with default access for drones. Below the high tide line is the main, some areas inland.
But most of the rest of the country is owned by someone/something and in theory requires permission. Generally its ignored, not enforced or not an issue but that doesnt mean its a right to operate. It just means not enforced.

Again the ANO, CAP and drone code make all this clear.

 

[Split-Infinitive]

The blue notice board states clearly "...everyone welcome..." and then shows 'icons' for permissioned parking, rambling, dog walking, etc.

That sign isnt legally valid for anything. No more than "free kittens" or "dont litter".

 

[Felix le Chat]

That sign isnt legally valid for anything. No more than "free kittens" or "dont litter".

That sign is clearly showing permitted behaviour, as permitted by the organization that controls the land so that makes it valid. If there was a picture on that sign of a drone in a circle crossed by a diagonal line: would that make it just as legally invalid?

Here's a valid couple of questions.

Whenever you plan to take your drone out, do you search out the address of the legal landowner/administrators for every location and apply for permission in advance?

What about when you're on your day trip. If you park up in a lay-by in a picturesque setting, do you phone Highways or the local Borough or Parish council and apply for permission to take pictures? Experience shows me "...that way lies madness..."

 

[Max Headroom]

The road is generally owned by highways or the council

Are you trying to tell me I need permission to fly from the roof of my car parked at the side of the public road?

 

[Felix le Chat]

That again is legally incorrect. Your car is pretty often on private land which would require permission (albeit implied if its main public).

The road is generally owned by highways or the council.

Agreed! These are the public highways bordered with public footpaths that members of the public have tacit permission to use freely (referring here specifically to the public footpath)... the same with at least 6 feet of the verge beyond the footpath.

 

[Max Headroom]

What about when you're on your day trip. If you park up in a lay-by in a picturesque setting, do you phone Highways or the local Borough or Parish council and apply for permission to take pictures? Experience shows me "...that way lies madness..."

Dont waste your time Felix he is obviously on a wind up his last statement about highways proves it.

 

[Felix le Chat]

Dont waste your time Felix he is obviously on a wind up his last statement about highways proves it.

I'm used to people quoting The Law, I'm part of a steering committee for the development of a County-wide 'drone policy'... representing the interests of drone users to make sure the County Council doesn't end up pursuing a policy of open discrimination against a minority group... Us.

It's a good job I'm already bald - otherwise parsimonious Councillors and bureaucratic pencil-lickers would have made me tear my hair out by the handful.

 

[tstr14]

I'm used to people quoting The Law, I'm part of a steering committee for the development of a County-wide 'drone policy'... representing the interests of drone users to make sure the County Council doesn't end up pursuing a policy of open discrimination against a minority group... Us.

It's a good job I'm already bald - otherwise parsimonious Councillors and bureaucratic pencil-lickers would have made me tear my hair out by the handful.

Take it from me, it's much more fun and rewarding to tear their hair out instead. Just make sure there are no witnesses...