I don’t see the presence of another drone as a problem. You are responsible only for the drone you are flying, and situational awareness is what VLOS is all about. In the area that I live—a picturesque part of northern New South Wales (Australia)—it’s not uncommon to see several drones in the air at the same time, particularly during whale watching season. I have an Australian licence (RePL) and you cannot get one without passing a demanding CASA flight test as well as theory. Part of the flight training involved flying circuits with five other pilots around a regulation-size football field—a very good test of situational awareness!
Flying my Air 2S ... and another pilot launching his Mavic 3 at the same time! A discussion on deconfliction
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I have not seen any exemption. Basic operations must be more than 30m horizontal distance from uninvolved persons, full stop. Advanced operations can be over (within 5m) but only if the drone is compliant. The only ones that are compliant that's I've seen on the Transport Canada list have parachutes.
Yeah I'm probably overthinking it, I could have just said hey, I'll be doing an orbit of the lighthouse, want me to wait till your out of the way or want to just let me know ow what you're planning so I can work around you?
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I don't dispute this, and being in the US I apologize for lacking the interest to research it and (hopefully) prove you wrong for your own benefit
I find this a bit shocking. The FAA allows me to launch off my back deck in an urban residential neighborhood, ascend to 200ft, then fly over houses, roads, cars parks, schools, shopping centers, etc. so long as I'm moving along going somewhere.
There is, of course, VLOS requirements, but as long I'm complying with all the rules, I'm allowed to be momentarily over people while "transitioning".
To not be able to do this would seem to prohibit flight over any urban area at all, because you can't see when someone might be in their yard until you're breaking the rules flying over then.
Do Canuck pilots stick to flying in the boonies, off shore, or open spaces like parks in urban environments?
I don't dispute this, and being in the US I apologize for lacking the interest to research it and (hopefully) prove you wrong for your own benefit
I find this a bit shocking.
Our Canadian neighbor is correct about the Canadian rules. No shock.
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Neither shocked nor surprise. Canada is not a free country and they are rife with rules and regulations....that pretty much nobody follows (as pointed out by the OP).
Chrislaf
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Hmm! Last I checked it was pretty free and most people I know follow the rules and regulations. Not sure what ‘Canada’ you are talking about but it is definitely not the one I live in.
Chris
Oh, you can fly over houses, cars etc in Canada no problem. Just not people who aren't in a house, car etc.I don't dispute this, and being in the US I apologize for lacking the interest to research it and (hopefully) prove you wrong for your own benefit
I find this a bit shocking. The FAA allows me to launch off my back deck in an urban residential neighborhood, ascend to 200ft, then fly over houses, roads, cars parks, schools, shopping centers, etc. so long as I'm moving along going somewhere.
There is, of course, VLOS requirements, but as long I'm complying with all the rules, I'm allowed to be momentarily over people while "transitioning".
To not be able to do this would seem to prohibit flight over any urban area at all, because you can't see when someone might be in their yard until you're breaking the rules flying over then.
Do Canuck pilots stick to flying in the boonies, off shore, or open spaces like parks in urban environments?
I have my UK drone pilot permit too, a Flyer ID etc, and the UK rules state occupied houses and cars count as people for the purposes of overflight.
At Peggy's Cove, NS, where I was flying in relation to this post, MANY tourists were walking on and over the rocks and paths from the parking lot, so overflying exposed people was a distinct risk and does violate the rules here. A 595g drone falling on someone from 20m or 30m AGL would certainly cause an injury and I think that's why.
What that summary doesn't tell you, but when you read the TC interpretative bulletins and exam material does, is that bystanders doesn't including people inside vehicles or buildings.Our Canadian neighbor is correct about the Canadian rules. No shock.
But at Peggy's Cove, there are people walking all over the place, it's chaos. To fly in compliance and still maintain VLOS you have to be selective about flying away from your launch point. Since I have an Advanced licence and a drone that complies, I can go within 30m horizontal distance of people (but not within 5m).
Sorry bud I didnt do either, was questioning how a 107 lic was brought into this ? I've flown with both, and both can be good and bad ? Sorry you took it that way
What recent experiences have you had in Canada that provide the basis for your conclusion? Canada has never seemed "un-free" to me and I've never encountered any widespread lawlessness as you suggest.
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Chris, you don't understand what "free" means.
In order to be "free" you must be allowed to fly drones over people while transitioning some where. 38 million people are oppressed because of this rule.
Apparently.
hope you had a great vacation in our beautiful province. I don't see that many drones operating in Peggy's Cove (surprisingly) and never seen 2 flying at the same time. Bummer that the other pilot was seemingly less considerate. Night time is dead quiet even in the peak tourist season, my preferred time to visit the lighthouse for some astrophotography
Chrislaf
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I do understand what 'free' means, but when someone makes a factless generalized statement as mavic3usa did above then I'm going to call it out.
With regard to your statement about being free to fly drones over people while transitioning, I wouldn't call it oppression as that it a rather harsh label. Canada is a separate country from the US and although many of the drone rules are similar, there are differences just like many other rules for other things. You can't expect the rules to be the same as with everything rules and regulations differ between countries - you don't have to agree with them just like I don't agree with many of the laws in the US.
Not sure how this thread originally about deconfliction became a thread about the drone rules and regulations in Canada which no one here can change.
Chris
We have six of us in a local group that fly together regularly and have done for two years. Usually three of us will be in the air at once and 3 will be observing. We have never even come close to having a mid air collision so your one-on-one with your heightened awareness would keep you safe. All a bit of a mountain out of a molehill methinks.
My understanding is that flying over people, even transitioning, is only permitted under the rules for categorized drones, which the Mavic 3 pro and Air 2s aren't. Am I missing something? Of course you can fly over stationary cars and people in buildings but not people outside or in moving vehicles without a categorized drone.
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@Chrislaf my mistake, I neglected the requisite emoticons to make clear my tongue was firmly planted in cheek. I'm in your camp w.r.t. your freedom... I hardly think the CAA rules constitute draconian oppression.
Some here do, and frankly I find it hilarious. 38 million Canadians are quite free
Some here do, and frankly I find it hilarious. 38 million Canadians are quite free
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