Hi
I'm new here, and the forum has been of great help in my current project, so I wanted to share my tests on the after-market battery available from Chinese suppliers like this one on Aliexpress. Soon I'll post about my project and explain why I DO NEED some extra flight time in a relatively old drone.
The Hobbitec battery is marketed as 6830 mAh (78 Wh), and I'm happily surprised it is genuinely what it should be.
I first made an indoor hover test, waiting until the battery showed 0% before landing. The flight lasted 35 minutes 14 seconds, which is 11 min 44 sec more than what I get with a stock battery with 33 recharge cycles in it. That means a 49.9% increase in flight time.
I then retrieved the DAT files from the GO 4 app and extracted the data using CsvView. To analyze the used power, I extracted the fields containing voltage (BatteryInfo:ad_v: D), battery current (BatteryInfo:I: D as ave_I: D seems to have some kind of smoothing) and the current used by each motor (Motor:current:RFront, LFront, LBack, and RBack).
Using this data, the energy used by the motors was a 203% of the energy used in test with stock battery (from 34.9Wh to 70.7Wh), which shows that the battery indeed had twice the "juice", and the fact that the flight time increased only 50% is perfectly reasonable given the increase in weight. All battery mods I've seen have similar results.
Interestingly, when I look at the current reported by the battery, it is way too low. My original interpretation was that internally, this battery was a clone of the stock battery with a second set of cells connected in parallel, the same way many battery mods work, for example, using this power adaptor. This raised the concern that maybe the charging of the second set of cells was not balanced, which could lead to a shorter life of those cells. However, after opening the battery, it turned out that it consisted of a set of three pairs of Li-po cells. Pairs are connected in parallel and the three pairs are in series. So it is somehow intentionally reporting less current, perhaps for some sort of compatibility issue or to make battery life estimations work properly. Anyway, it seems like the actual current is exactly twice the current reported by the battery, which makes perfect sense when looking at the figures I just mentioned of the current used by the motors (which are measured by the Mavic's ESC I believe, NOT by circuitry inside the battery).
In this case, the total energy delivered by the battery was 78.2 Wh, which is a tiny little more than the specs. Very nice!
Weight-wise, according to my kitchen scale, the stock battery weighs 237 g (240g according to specs), and the extended battery weighs 405 g, so again a tiny bit better than the specs that say 406.8 g. Then, the extra battery weight is only 168 g, an increase of 70.9% over the stock battery weight.
My stock battery with 33 recharge cycles on an identical hover test delivered 38.7 Wh, significantly less than the specs of 43.6 Wh. So, the extended Hobbitec battery delivered 202% of the energy of my used battery and 179% of the energy of an up-to-specs stock battery (with 43.6 Wh).
The extra weight made the efficiency (in terms of minutes of hover per Wh) drop from 0.607 min/Wh to 0.450 min/Wh.
Using these figures, the theoric hover time of a stock battery with a full 43.6 Wh would be 26 min 28 sec (flight time according to specs is 27 minutes with no wind at a consistent 25 km/h). Therefore, the additional flight time over a full-capacity stock battery would be 8 min 45 sec, which means a 33% increase.
In terms of energy, the additional energy over a theoric full capacity stock battery (43.6 Wh) is 34.6 Wh, which means a 79.3% increase, a very similar figure to the increase in weight.
I also compared the reported battery percentages with the actual battery left (which I was able to calculate after the flight because I landed at 0%), and it is as accurate as the stock battery, which only shows deviations smaller than 2%.
Summarizing:
The battery is good and has the advertised capacity and weight.
It indeed delivers significant extra flight time both in hover tests and real flight tests.
Now, the fact that it reports half the delivered current raises some concerns. I've made more flights after the initial hover test, and a couple of important observations:
1.- I don't get the error message of battery over current that I sometimes got with the stock battery. This means the battery no longer limits the power the drone uses.
2.- I've observed total motor currents as high as 31 Amps (at full throttle upwards), and ESC temperature as high as 80°C (176 F), values I never saw with the stock battery.
Therefore, my concerns are that I could burn the ESC or the motors by using full throttle with this heavier battery that can deliver so much power. However, given the ESC measures current and temperature, DJI engineers must have been smart enough to make it self-limit its power to avoid overheating. Right?
I have not found the Mavic ESC specs regarding maximum current and temperature. For ESCs in general, I've seen people recommend below 70°C and mention 80°C as the limit, but some ESCs are happy up to 125°C. For the maximum current, I only found some info in this forum, where I read that it is set by firmware to 36 Amps (link to the post), so that should be the safe limit... I guess.
So here are my questions for this community:
1.- Does the Mavic Pro has software failsafe controls to prevent ESC overheating and limit motors currents?
2.- Have anyone seen warning messages related to ESC overheating/overcurrent?
3.- As you have a lot of experience with crash forensics: are high currents and/or high ESC temperatures a common factor in drone malfunction?
Thanks!
I'm new here, and the forum has been of great help in my current project, so I wanted to share my tests on the after-market battery available from Chinese suppliers like this one on Aliexpress. Soon I'll post about my project and explain why I DO NEED some extra flight time in a relatively old drone.
The Hobbitec battery is marketed as 6830 mAh (78 Wh), and I'm happily surprised it is genuinely what it should be.
I first made an indoor hover test, waiting until the battery showed 0% before landing. The flight lasted 35 minutes 14 seconds, which is 11 min 44 sec more than what I get with a stock battery with 33 recharge cycles in it. That means a 49.9% increase in flight time.
I then retrieved the DAT files from the GO 4 app and extracted the data using CsvView. To analyze the used power, I extracted the fields containing voltage (BatteryInfo:ad_v: D), battery current (BatteryInfo:I: D as ave_I: D seems to have some kind of smoothing) and the current used by each motor (Motor:current:RFront, LFront, LBack, and RBack).
Using this data, the energy used by the motors was a 203% of the energy used in test with stock battery (from 34.9Wh to 70.7Wh), which shows that the battery indeed had twice the "juice", and the fact that the flight time increased only 50% is perfectly reasonable given the increase in weight. All battery mods I've seen have similar results.
Interestingly, when I look at the current reported by the battery, it is way too low. My original interpretation was that internally, this battery was a clone of the stock battery with a second set of cells connected in parallel, the same way many battery mods work, for example, using this power adaptor. This raised the concern that maybe the charging of the second set of cells was not balanced, which could lead to a shorter life of those cells. However, after opening the battery, it turned out that it consisted of a set of three pairs of Li-po cells. Pairs are connected in parallel and the three pairs are in series. So it is somehow intentionally reporting less current, perhaps for some sort of compatibility issue or to make battery life estimations work properly. Anyway, it seems like the actual current is exactly twice the current reported by the battery, which makes perfect sense when looking at the figures I just mentioned of the current used by the motors (which are measured by the Mavic's ESC I believe, NOT by circuitry inside the battery).
In this case, the total energy delivered by the battery was 78.2 Wh, which is a tiny little more than the specs. Very nice!
Weight-wise, according to my kitchen scale, the stock battery weighs 237 g (240g according to specs), and the extended battery weighs 405 g, so again a tiny bit better than the specs that say 406.8 g. Then, the extra battery weight is only 168 g, an increase of 70.9% over the stock battery weight.
My stock battery with 33 recharge cycles on an identical hover test delivered 38.7 Wh, significantly less than the specs of 43.6 Wh. So, the extended Hobbitec battery delivered 202% of the energy of my used battery and 179% of the energy of an up-to-specs stock battery (with 43.6 Wh).
The extra weight made the efficiency (in terms of minutes of hover per Wh) drop from 0.607 min/Wh to 0.450 min/Wh.
Using these figures, the theoric hover time of a stock battery with a full 43.6 Wh would be 26 min 28 sec (flight time according to specs is 27 minutes with no wind at a consistent 25 km/h). Therefore, the additional flight time over a full-capacity stock battery would be 8 min 45 sec, which means a 33% increase.
In terms of energy, the additional energy over a theoric full capacity stock battery (43.6 Wh) is 34.6 Wh, which means a 79.3% increase, a very similar figure to the increase in weight.
I also compared the reported battery percentages with the actual battery left (which I was able to calculate after the flight because I landed at 0%), and it is as accurate as the stock battery, which only shows deviations smaller than 2%.
Summarizing:
The battery is good and has the advertised capacity and weight.
It indeed delivers significant extra flight time both in hover tests and real flight tests.
Now, the fact that it reports half the delivered current raises some concerns. I've made more flights after the initial hover test, and a couple of important observations:
1.- I don't get the error message of battery over current that I sometimes got with the stock battery. This means the battery no longer limits the power the drone uses.
2.- I've observed total motor currents as high as 31 Amps (at full throttle upwards), and ESC temperature as high as 80°C (176 F), values I never saw with the stock battery.
Therefore, my concerns are that I could burn the ESC or the motors by using full throttle with this heavier battery that can deliver so much power. However, given the ESC measures current and temperature, DJI engineers must have been smart enough to make it self-limit its power to avoid overheating. Right?
I have not found the Mavic ESC specs regarding maximum current and temperature. For ESCs in general, I've seen people recommend below 70°C and mention 80°C as the limit, but some ESCs are happy up to 125°C. For the maximum current, I only found some info in this forum, where I read that it is set by firmware to 36 Amps (link to the post), so that should be the safe limit... I guess.
So here are my questions for this community:
1.- Does the Mavic Pro has software failsafe controls to prevent ESC overheating and limit motors currents?
2.- Have anyone seen warning messages related to ESC overheating/overcurrent?
3.- As you have a lot of experience with crash forensics: are high currents and/or high ESC temperatures a common factor in drone malfunction?
Thanks!
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