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Using the Larger Air 3S Battery in an Air 3 for Greater Range

This nearly identical conversation occured when Air 2S came out
  • DJI Air 2 3500 mAh batteries: Have a voltage of 11.55 volts

  • DJI Air 2S 3750 mAh batteries: Have a voltage of 11.04 volts
Putting the 250mAh battery in an Air 2 yeilded a statistical nothing. Some 20-24 SECONDS of additional flight time.

The 3S batteries are more expensive because of the Sleep/Wake capability, not because of a few MAh increase. They MIGHT endow an Air 3 with sleep/Wake capability, if the Firmware is modified to allow it. They will do nothing, nada, nyet, poop fir additional flight time.
 
What is this new sleep/wake capability? I can't find anything about it...
 
What is this new sleep/wake capability? I can't find anything about it...
After you shutoff the drone the USB file system is still powered for about 12 hours. You can just plug the drone into your computer to transfer files without having to fully turn the drone on. After 12 hours if you press the battery once it powers up the USB file system for another 12 hours.

It is pretty handy. The internal storage and microSD card mount as two different drives.
 
Folks, when doing these tests, it's usually a lot easier to upload the log to AirData and then see the battery drain chart, and the battery flight time estimates (which extrapolates down to zero mAh, but you can shave 20% off that to know what a 'safe' max flight time would be). Just hovering in place, with a stock Air3, I get 30 mins (+/- 1 minute) of hover time - and even if I switch all sensors and AirSense off, that only increases by around 40 seconds. Conversely, going around and around in a 50m wide circle (spotlight'd), max flight time drops to 22 minutes - but the CPU is probably working a little bit harder too thinking about how to keep the object in the centre of frame.

The extra capacity of the A3 battery should give an extra 20 seconds in flight time, is less important than the reduced weight - 20g - which should increase flight time by an additional 40 seconds. So, calculations-wise, a total of an extra minute.

But - and a big but - the type of the battery technology is different - li-ion (A3) vs li-po (A3s), and li-ion batterys have a much flatter voltage drop curve (airdata can show you the chart, which a big-fat flat voltage output between 10-25 mins). li-po batteries usually have a MUCH longer slope, which voltage dropping nearly proportional to remaining capacity. Obviously, DJI add voltage regulation to keep things equal, but how efficient the regulation is, probably makes a big difference, if it's 60% efficient, that's 40% of the power waisted when the battery isn't delivering the full voltage. As batteries are empty at 15% below 4v, you can assume (ahem...) that 7.5% of the total power is regulated, 40% of the that is lost, and therefore 1.5% waisted - about 30 seconds lost. This probably explains why the A3s, despite being roughly the same weight, and having a lighter, more powerful battery, with it's additional sensors - which are all turned off during DJI's flight-time testing - gives the same flight time (give/take 1 minute) as the Air3 under the same conditions.

I actually think, from all of this, the biggest factor is how the batteries loose capacity over time, if one battery technology loses 30% capacity over it's lifetime 200 flights (9 minutes lost), but the other looses 20% (6 minutes), after 100 flights, the difference is 1.5 minutes....

So, to summarize: Until some posts test data: the new A3s batteries don't look like they should bring any more than 1 minute of extra flight time to an Air 3. However, *any* new battery (Air 3 or Air 3S) could add up to 9 minutes (!!!) if your old battery was truly at the brink of death at nearly 200 recharge cycles.....

In fact at least 1 person has found a new A3s battery gave them 5 minutes of extra flight time...but admitted their old battery was only giving them 20 minute flights.....so may have been near end of it's life.
 
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This is the meticulously detailed meat-and-potatoes data that I treasure. I will save the above post and add this key information to my growing file of all things Air 3.

I regularly check Ali Express to see if any extra-range batteries are available for the drones I own, and a new vendor is offering a DJI Air 3 battery rated for 7,200 mAh instead of the stock Air 3 battery rated for 4,241 mAh. This Air 3 (DIY) battery upgrade promises 50 minutes of flight time. I will watch to see if any user reviews show up on this battery before I consider buying one, but here is the link to this modified battery anyway.

 
Since virtually all my flying is autonomous waypoint missions, having an additional 5 minutes of flight time is a big deal. The Air 3S battery being 20 grams lighter than the Air 3 battery is an unexpected bonus, so there isn't any reason to buy Air 3 batteries for an Air 3 anymore.

The Ali Express DIY after-market Air 3 battery whose link I posted above promises longer flight times than the stock Air 3S battery but staying with a stock DJI battery is always a safer bet than relying on an unknown electronics tinkerer's DIY battery "upgrade". I've had mixed luck with Ali Express's "extra-range" batteries, so I'll likely play it safe when shopping for new Air 3 batteries, by stepping up in performance to the Air 3 S battery.
 
Folks, when doing these tests, it's usually a lot easier to upload the log to AirData and then see the battery drain chart, and the battery flight time estimates (which extrapolates down to zero mAh, but you can shave 20% off that to know what a 'safe' max flight time would be). Just hovering in place, with a stock Air3, I get 30 mins (+/- 1 minute) of hover time - and even if I switch all sensors and AirSense off, that only increases by around 40 seconds. Conversely, going around and around in a 50m wide circle (spotlight'd), max flight time drops to 22 minutes - but the CPU is probably working a little bit harder too thinking about how to keep the object in the centre of frame.

The extra capacity of the A3 battery should give an extra 20 seconds in flight time, is less important than the reduced weight - 20g - which should increase flight time by an additional 40 seconds. So, calculations-wise, a total of an extra minute.

Which is an entirely useless, meaningless, worthless theoretical exercise, given the error bars in each of the elements in the calculation.

IOW, in real-world use you would never be able the measure an increase of 1 minute duration performance when the Precision of the experiment is ±5 minutes or more.
 
If the attainable flight time increment for an Air 3 fitted with an Air 3S battery doesn't reach that 5-minute mark consistently, there is still no harm done to the drone for any Air 3 owner who decides to go with the Air 3S batteries exclusively henceforth, thereby shedding 20 grams of battery weight while gaining a variable number of flight time minutes above the flight duration seen with stock Air 3 batteries.

That said, I do enjoy dabbling with Ali Express DIY batteries that promise greater-than-stock range, so I will have to decide whether to roll the dice with the home-made extra-range batteries for my Air 3 or to play it safe and buy stock DJI Air 3S batteries for my Air 3 going forward.
 
Of course there's no harm. I'm just trying to help people understand there's no benefit, so they don't waste their time and money and get their hopes dashed. Others read this thread.

This is truly like asking, how much farther will my car go with a 20gal 1oz tank over a 20gal tank.

Bring a battery with 5% more capacity to the discussion and we have something to talk about.

Now all that said, if price were the same and I was buying a new battery for my Air 3, I'd get the Air 3S battery.
 

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