Just curious, but why are people so anti Remote I. D.

[hank970]

People have conveniently forgotten the events that led up to RID. All they remember is a few complaints from people about burglars and the initial lame idea about using the internet (which the government used to throw us a bone to shut us up).

Most citizens don't have a deep understanding of the people's need for privacy concerns with their government and they conflate that with private companies like Google. Most citizen are unable to envision what it means to have comprehensive government tracking and record keeping and next level integration to include your drones. And the vast majority of the citizens don't believe the government will ever confiscate their property.

The result is bad things can and will happen and just because you don't notice a disaster in the making right away doesn't mean it doesn't exist or won't happen. Because some of us can see it plain as day; it's so evident it's laughable. When I am asked if I can provide an example where the government has confiscated anything or spied on me and my drone, the very fact that I get asked those questions proves that person has no idea how all this works. But I get it, some people trust their government completely to do the right thing, they depend on common sense principles and their privilege to ensure they get treated fairly, and they believe the government is open and honest and transparent.

Wonder if they still feel that way lately after having given up your privacy.

If you were concerned about personal privacy, you wouldn't be posting on this or any other site on the internet. Every one of your keystrokes is being recorded and stored. Every single one. And by the way, it isn't the government who's doing it. Have a good day.

 

[Bad Santa]

I think if you're truly worried about RID, you shouldn't fly a drone.

 

[mavic3usa]

If you were concerned about personal privacy, you wouldn't be posting on this or any other site on the internet. Every one of your keystrokes is being recorded and stored. Every single one. And by the way, it isn't the government who's doing it. Have a good day.

I think it is inaccurate to characterize people are concerned or not concerned with no better. I am mostly concerned with government privacy rather than privacy from private organizations like Google; I don't conflate the two. I have pretty good defenses against Google and they can't "penalize" me so I'm less concerned with them. There's a difference.

No one is going to have 100% privacy; the citizens have given up on that. At this point, I'm trying to keep as much as my privacy from the government as I can; I haven't completely folded yet. I don't like self-inflicted wounds like RID, it didn't have to happen.

 

[mavic3usa]

I think if you're truly worried about RID, you shouldn't fly a drone.

Why? Because you see the drone as the exclusive domain of the government to do with it whatever they wish? There's no future for the hobby or the drone community?

Not sure what "truly" means in this context because we all worry to some degree about what our government does but we don't just cave in or fold. Meaning, just because you are *not* truly worried, I'm not going to say you're just a sheep. So just because I haven't landed my drone and abandoned the hobby doesn't mean I'm not genuinely worried. At this point, I'm concerned. RID is not totally dangerous today but like I said, I know where this is going and it's not good. Can I count on you to help me stop the government from implementing the next steps when it comes to RID and other drone privacy concerns on the road to "grounding" our drones and ultimately confiscating our drones?

 

[hank970]

I think it is inaccurate to characterize people are concerned or not concerned with no better. I am mostly concerned with government privacy rather than privacy from private organizations like Google; I don't conflate the two. I have pretty good defenses against Google and they can't "penalize" me so I'm less concerned with them. There's a difference.

No one is going to have 100% privacy; the citizens have given up on that. At this point, I'm trying to keep as much as my privacy from the government as I can; I haven't completely folded yet. I don't like self-inflicted wounds like RID, it didn't have to happen.

RID isn't/wasn't a self-inflicted wound. It was imposed on us, probably because enough of us with rather exotic new gadgets annoyed enough other people (especially those with overriding concerns about privacy) to ring alarm bells. That's also why we have speed limits on our highways and various other legal strictures on the use of products. The reason that speeding didn't resulted in calls to outlaw cars is because cars have widespread utility. Drones don't, though for a relatively few people, they admittedly offer a way to make a living. For most of us, they're just toys, a perception of the public at large.

 

[anotherlab]

RID isn't/wasn't a self-inflicted wound. It was imposed on us, probably because enough of us with rather exotic new gadgets annoyed enough other people (especially those with overriding concerns about privacy) to ring alarm bells. That's also why we have speed limits on our highways and various other legal strictures on the use of products. The reason that speeding didn't resulted in calls to outlaw cars is because cars have widespread utility. Drones don't, though for a relatively few people, they admittedly offer a way to make a living. For most of us, they're just toys, a perception of the public at large.

It was more or less a self-inflicted wound. There were too many idiots flying drones where they weren't supposed to be flying them. That's why we have RID.

Speeding didn't outlaw cars, but we now have speeds measured by radar and laser.

 

[anotherlab]

I think it is inaccurate to characterize people are concerned or not concerned with no better. I am mostly concerned with government privacy rather than privacy from private organizations like Google; I don't conflate the two. I have pretty good defenses against Google and they can't "penalize" me so I'm less concerned with them. There's a difference.

No one is going to have 100% privacy; the citizens have given up on that. At this point, I'm trying to keep as much as my privacy from the government as I can; I haven't completely folded yet. I don't like self-inflicted wounds like RID, it didn't have to happen.

You can control what Google searches are stored on your device, but you can't control what they save and sell to other companies.

Your data is a valuable commodity, and that is what funds the Internet.

 

[BossBob]

So, be more careful with how you access the internet, search on the internet, and how you use social media. The hardest thing to obfuscate is device fingerprinting.

 

[BossBob]

It was more or less a self-inflicted wound. There were too many idiots flying drones where they weren't supposed to be flying them. That's why we have RID.

Speeding didn't outlaw cars, but we now have speeds measured by radar and laser.

And those idiots probably won’t have RID on their drones even when it’s legally required in the same way that measuring speed by radar and laser is fine until you realise the speeders have cloned number plates or other means of hiding their identity.

 

[anotherlab]

....measuring speed by radar and laser is fine until you realise the speeders have cloned number plates or other means of hiding their identity.

When you are pulled over by LEO for speeding and they run the license plate against the vehicle registration, the speeding ticket just became the least of your worries.

 

[PINEBARON]

I really could not care less about anyone tracking me on my drone/s RID, knowing no one cares where I particularly fly. I use a Spektrum external RFID module (also registered with the FCC) for when I fly RC planes from my own land/runway/property, other than that I fly RC planes at our RC club which is FRIA certified and does not need any RFID to be broadcast.

 

[YorksPhotos]

If I had a choice I would not have it. It does nothing for me as the pilot and photographer. Most concerning if it fails on the power on test I am grounded. I can't even add a RID module to get it going.

 

[BossBob]

When you are pulled over by LEO for speeding and they run the license plate against the vehicle registration, the speeding ticket just became the least of your worries.

Not enough police over here to do that. They mostly rely on fixed and mobile speed cameras. And the police don’t even monitor or man those, they’re run by ‘Safety Camera Partnerships’.

 

[AnDronioBanderos]

I have to say that I did not anticipate so much information and valid points of view and I have learnt from asking this question, so thanks to everyone who posted.

Personally I don't know what way things are going in EU but I continue to comply with all laws. It's bad enough dealing with an over suspicious public than also dealing with the authorities for non compliance.

So I'll stick to the law and continue to comply.

My own opinion on the people wanting to disable RID over here is that they are probably doing it for nefarious reasons and not reasons that are going to be in any way beneficial to the responsibe drone community we all belong to here on this forum.

Sincerely, thank all of you for taking the time to post your opinions engage in debate as I have found everyones contribution a genuine benefit to me.

Thanks.

 

[PyroProdigy]

"Speed cameras" and the regular old cameras on every US highway and many other roads today is an example of a technology that the government abuses. A lot people did not have a big problem with when it first came out. I certainly did. When they were first implemented the government did not do with it what they do today. Today, every single camera you pass by on the roads and every single police car that scans your plates as you pass by saves this information in a database that is NEVER DELETED. They record every single place you travel and have traveled. It's stored forever so if they wanted to, and trust me they do, they can check and look at this at will. No warrant needed. Most people do not know this and this and if they did they absolutely would be against it. It is just 1 example of how a technology like that can be used against people in the future by the government. So just because they aren't now, doesn't mean they aren't going to. As far as the government goes, if they can abuse it they will.

 

[tstr14]

The thing is, I’m all for someone doing something illegal/wrong having a fecking big arrow covered with fluorescent lights pointing at them but why should a law abiding person doing nothing wrong be treated in the same way?

And now you know how 99.99% of gun owners in the US feel. We get our permits, go through waiting periods and background checks, fill out the required governmental paperwork, where as criminals do none of that (because they would get caught). Even worse, when caught violating one of thousands of gun laws our country has, charges are dismissed or plea bargained down dramatically.

I don't particularly like RID, but I'm not paranoid enough to worry about someone trying to track me down for nefarious purposes, and if they do, they may regret doing so. If it helps track down some idiot endangering people's lives by flying near manned aircraft, or some perv looking in windows, then it's a price I'm willing to pay.