If you were concerned about personal privacy, you wouldn't be posting on this or any other site on the internet. Every one of your keystrokes is being recorded and stored. Every single one. And by the way, it isn't the government who's doing it. Have a good day.
Just curious, but why are people so anti Remote I. D.
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I think if you're truly worried about RID, you shouldn't fly a drone.
I think it is inaccurate to characterize people are concerned or not concerned with no better. I am mostly concerned with government privacy rather than privacy from private organizations like Google; I don't conflate the two. I have pretty good defenses against Google and they can't "penalize" me so I'm less concerned with them. There's a difference.
No one is going to have 100% privacy; the citizens have given up on that. At this point, I'm trying to keep as much as my privacy from the government as I can; I haven't completely folded yet. I don't like self-inflicted wounds like RID, it didn't have to happen.
Why? Because you see the drone as the exclusive domain of the government to do with it whatever they wish? There's no future for the hobby or the drone community?
Not sure what "truly" means in this context because we all worry to some degree about what our government does but we don't just cave in or fold. Meaning, just because you are *not* truly worried, I'm not going to say you're just a sheep. So just because I haven't landed my drone and abandoned the hobby doesn't mean I'm not genuinely worried. At this point, I'm concerned. RID is not totally dangerous today but like I said, I know where this is going and it's not good. Can I count on you to help me stop the government from implementing the next steps when it comes to RID and other drone privacy concerns on the road to "grounding" our drones and ultimately confiscating our drones?
RID isn't/wasn't a self-inflicted wound. It was imposed on us, probably because enough of us with rather exotic new gadgets annoyed enough other people (especially those with overriding concerns about privacy) to ring alarm bells. That's also why we have speed limits on our highways and various other legal strictures on the use of products. The reason that speeding didn't resulted in calls to outlaw cars is because cars have widespread utility. Drones don't, though for a relatively few people, they admittedly offer a way to make a living. For most of us, they're just toys, a perception of the public at large.
anotherlab
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It was more or less a self-inflicted wound. There were too many idiots flying drones where they weren't supposed to be flying them. That's why we have RID.
Speeding didn't outlaw cars, but we now have speeds measured by radar and laser.
anotherlab
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You can control what Google searches are stored on your device, but you can't control what they save and sell to other companies.
Your data is a valuable commodity, and that is what funds the Internet.
So, be more careful with how you access the internet, search on the internet, and how you use social media. The hardest thing to obfuscate is device fingerprinting.
And those idiots probably won’t have RID on their drones even when it’s legally required in the same way that measuring speed by radar and laser is fine until you realise the speeders have cloned number plates or other means of hiding their identity.
anotherlab
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When you are pulled over by LEO for speeding and they run the license plate against the vehicle registration, the speeding ticket just became the least of your worries.
I really could not care less about anyone tracking me on my drone/s RID, knowing no one cares where I particularly fly. I use a Spektrum external RFID module (also registered with the FCC) for when I fly RC planes from my own land/runway/property, other than that I fly RC planes at our RC club which is FRIA certified and does not need any RFID to be broadcast.
If I had a choice I would not have it. It does nothing for me as the pilot and photographer. Most concerning if it fails on the power on test I am grounded. I can't even add a RID module to get it going.
Not enough police over here to do that. They mostly rely on fixed and mobile speed cameras. And the police don’t even monitor or man those, they’re run by ‘Safety Camera Partnerships’.
I have to say that I did not anticipate so much information and valid points of view and I have learnt from asking this question, so thanks to everyone who posted.
Personally I don't know what way things are going in EU but I continue to comply with all laws. It's bad enough dealing with an over suspicious public than also dealing with the authorities for non compliance.
So I'll stick to the law and continue to comply.
My own opinion on the people wanting to disable RID (if it is already enabled on their drone) over here is that they are probably doing it for nefarious reasons and not reasons that are going to be in any way beneficial to the responsibe drone community we all belong to here on this forum.
Sincerely, thank all of you for taking the time to post your opinions engage in debate as I have found everyones contribution a genuine benefit to me.
Thanks.
Personally I don't know what way things are going in EU but I continue to comply with all laws. It's bad enough dealing with an over suspicious public than also dealing with the authorities for non compliance.
So I'll stick to the law and continue to comply.
My own opinion on the people wanting to disable RID (if it is already enabled on their drone) over here is that they are probably doing it for nefarious reasons and not reasons that are going to be in any way beneficial to the responsibe drone community we all belong to here on this forum.
Sincerely, thank all of you for taking the time to post your opinions engage in debate as I have found everyones contribution a genuine benefit to me.
Thanks.
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PyroProdigy
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"Speed cameras" and the regular old cameras on every US highway and many other roads today is an example of a technology that the government abuses. A lot people did not have a big problem with when it first came out. I certainly did. When they were first implemented the government did not do with it what they do today. Today, every single camera you pass by on the roads and every single police car that scans your plates as you pass by saves this information in a database that is NEVER DELETED. They record every single place you travel and have traveled. It's stored forever so if they wanted to, and trust me they do, they can check and look at this at will. No warrant needed. Most people do not know this and if they did they absolutely would be against it. It is just 1 example of how a technology like that can be used against people in the future by the government. So just because they aren't now, doesn't mean they aren't going to. As far as the government goes, if they can abuse it they will.
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And now you know how 99.99% of gun owners in the US feel. We get our permits, go through waiting periods and background checks, fill out the required governmental paperwork, where as criminals do none of that (because they would get caught). Even worse, when caught violating one of thousands of gun laws our country has, charges are dismissed or plea bargained down dramatically.
I don't particularly like RID, but I'm not paranoid enough to worry about someone trying to track me down for nefarious purposes, and if they do, they may regret doing so. If it helps track down some idiot endangering people's lives by flying near manned aircraft, or some perv looking in windows, then it's a price I'm willing to pay.
But that has never happened as far as I know. I think it was meant to do that but with all the drone incidents we've seen so far, I have yet to hear that RID was captured and thus the drone was identified. At some point, it becomes disappointing that bad actors are not being "tracked down" by RID and it starts to seem that RID is only effective against honest, law abiding citizens who happen to break the law accidentally.
When drones were flying all over NJ (still are) and the reply was "some of those are consumer recreational drones having fun at night and some of those are working drones carrying out commercial operations after dark" not even once did authorities say "....and we know this because we detected the mandatory RID from these drones and identified the pilots location and confirmed everything."
Time and time again we have airport incursions and military base overflights by rogue drones and we have near aircraft collisions and actual collisions and not once have the authorities notified us that RID worked as intended. Perhaps it could be because of the glaring omission that more than half of recreational drones are not required to transmit RID, maybe? Or more like, criminals don't use RID, perhaps?
RID is a bust and it feels like an albatross. But its primary use is still yet to come......
There's a lot of FUD and misinformation driving this, but pilots that have been on the receiving end of abuse from a Karen while doing nothing wrong probably do have some legit concerns about being hassled by some busybody with the app on their phone. Likewise, I suspect the apps will be the "last mile" approach used by law enforcement if they ever do get to try and locate a pilot doing something sketchy, so there's going to be pushback from those who do that, whatever the reason they have.
For legit pilots, I'd assume this will also guarantee that all those delivery drones we keep hearing about will have additional situational awareness from RID and not crash into your drone / let you take evasive actions, which could be a big advantage. It might also lead to a fully integrated airspace if RID receivers are co-located at cell towers or something like that, which will make it a lot easier for enabling BVLOS, higher altitude flights and so on. (Whether any of that will happen of course...)
For most legit flights though, no one will be listening once the novelty wears off (it's quite possibly going to be a phone battery killer), except maybe out of curiousity, and the chances of you getting stopped by law enforcement are probably not much higher than they are at present.
For stalkers, illegal flights around sensitive locations, and so on, it's going to make things a lot more risky though, and that is not a bad thing in my book and worth the minimal inconvenience for the rest of us.
For legit pilots, I'd assume this will also guarantee that all those delivery drones we keep hearing about will have additional situational awareness from RID and not crash into your drone / let you take evasive actions, which could be a big advantage. It might also lead to a fully integrated airspace if RID receivers are co-located at cell towers or something like that, which will make it a lot easier for enabling BVLOS, higher altitude flights and so on. (Whether any of that will happen of course...)
For most legit flights though, no one will be listening once the novelty wears off (it's quite possibly going to be a phone battery killer), except maybe out of curiousity, and the chances of you getting stopped by law enforcement are probably not much higher than they are at present.
For stalkers, illegal flights around sensitive locations, and so on, it's going to make things a lot more risky though, and that is not a bad thing in my book and worth the minimal inconvenience for the rest of us.
It's a privacy issue for me. I am not " up to no good ", but at the same time I am not happy about my drones broadcasting an ID like that, whether it is being picked up by anyone or not.
That said, I also realize the following:
a) No one is really actively watching for RID
b) You will be detected whether you have remote ID or not. A friend of mine was flying one of his Potensic Atom drones without remote ID early one weekend morning and neglected to check Air Aware for TFR's. I think he said he flew for maybe 20 minutes over his backyard and the woods behind his house at about 200 feet. He landed, was in the midst of packing things up when a military aircraft with a profile similar to a predator drone ( slender body, extremely wide wingspan, with an engine mounted towards the rear ) approached low and slow from the south, turned towards the east while it was over his property, and than flew off back towards the south. That aircraft was atypical for the area this guy is in, was never seen before and never seen since. He thought it was unusual and afterwards he checked Air Aware and found he was on the very outer perimeter of a presidential TFR. He was so far out from the center he could have driven 5 minutes to the west and had been out of it.
So, with, or without RID " they " will know you have a drone in the air and can probably even link the radio signal from your drone without RID back to your controller and ID you that way if you are using your phone.
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