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I've never had a pro controller, hear too many nightmares about them going back to the original.
My M3 Issues have all Cleared with new Firmware
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The first generation SC, if that is what you are referring to, is an excellent controller in my opinion. And it's not often you'll hear me say that about an Android-based device.
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I completely understand your points, and the happiness of others. But as a former I2 x5s owner which sports the exact same sensor as the M3 the low light performance is not even in the same neighbourhood as the x5s. It appears only slightly better then the M2P. I was taken by surprise by this, I realize the M3 has only F2.8 verses F1.7 on the x5s, but this M3 is about 3 stops difference, you would need to shut down the x5s to around F4 to make it the same as the M3 2.8. That’s just a guess. This M3 should be way better then the M2 and it’s only slightly better.
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I have not had any issues with the connection to the RC Pro. It's pretty stable.But yours is not the only post I've seen about connection issues.
ianwood
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I have two Inspires with both X5S and X7. Low light I would always shoot C-DNG RAW which isn't a fair comparison so I can't say how the ProRes stands up. I also haven't flown the M3C enough yet to make the comparison but it seems to be doing OK so far.
I'll see what I can do in terms of a like for like comparison. In the meantime, the M3C did well with this little test I flew the other day.
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Wreckhunter
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I'll second this. Zero issues with my original SC and I will never go back to phone/tablet + remote. Not only is it more compact, ergonomics are better (subjective I suppose), and it's just so nice to not have to fiddle with cables or anything else. Turn it on and it just works, never have to worry about compatibility.
I don't think I have ever seen more consistent posting on the same issue than all the threads created by people trying to get various phones/tablets to work with the DJI apps, including ones not on the list of officially supported devices.
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It’s possible folks aren’t using the proper video settings for low light? Based on what I’ve seen so far I’m not impressed with the low light performance. That size sensor should be performing much better at F2.8. I’m going to play around myself some night when I get time and see what I can get out it? I know what that exact sensor is capable of, so I’m a bit harder to satisfy.
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The x5s isn’t capable of shooting RAW video, even with DNG or pro res license not that I’m aware of? The x7 can. What we need is the x5s set to F2.8 verses the M3 at F2.8, I’d be very interested in seeing that comparison since I sold my I2 and can’t do it myself. Can you make it happen? Don’t use pro res in the comparison, or make 2 comparisons of both.
Wreckhunter
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I guess what it boils down to in the end is personal preference ,people have different eyesight
not all the same,and different tastes.I do not have an M3,not yet anyway.
But am looking to upgrade from my current Air 2,which has so far treated me very well.
So a bigger sensor than what I have,like 1" on up,I would think would make a big difference
From the 1/2" one I have now.
I flew this morning in the back yard to make sure there were no bugs in my upgraded software
to version 1.5.4.Worked perfect.strong 25mph southeast winds,yuck.Pretty windy up at 395 feet.
Have a good day
Aperture does not affect a sensor's low light performance. All that matters is that you get a proper exposure for the scene you are trying to capture - the more light you can capture, the better the noise profile of the scene will be. Shadows will always have more noise, and highlights will always have little to no noise, and everything in the scene exposed 'normally' will have a noise value that is in between (all else equal). The higher you raise the ISO, obviously the higher the noise floor gets.
The only way to evaluate low light performance objectively would be to set up a controlled test, and that has already been done to varying degrees with the expected results - significantly better than a M2P, but a 4/3 sensor just isn't that big if your primary concern is noise. For example, even at ISO 800-1600 noise is going to be easily noticeable on a sensor of that size, especially if you're picky.
If you're noticing this in D-Log, it defaults to I believe ISO 500 or 800, so that might be one reason you find it a bit grainy. The reason it does this is to maximize DR and is normal for log footage.
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Yes agreed, the M3 is better in low light, but I disagree, it’s not significantly better, and not even close to the performance of that same sensor in the x5s. I’ve yet to see a test of the M3 vs x5s with both cameras set to F2.8. If you have a link to this test I’d like to see it. If this compact miniature M3 camera is as good as you and others claim it is in low light then the difference between the M3 and x5s both set to F2.8 should look pretty close, considering both have the identical sensor. Best way to put this to rest is have someone do the test. I have seen the M3 and M2 test compared to the x5s set to F2.0, which tells us nothing.
Based on what I’ve seen the difference between the M3 and M2 is not remarkable, the difference between the M3 and x5s shows a huge difference. The M3 and M2 are closer then they should be considering one has a sensor twice as big. But in the end both are compact point and shoot cameras, which is why they are so close even though sensor size isn’t similar. In the spirt of preferring a foldable drone (which I myself don’t) we get a camera too small to take advantage of a 4/3rds sensor. That sensor needs to be in a bigger camera hanging off a Phantom airframe.
DJI competitors are going to give us what we want, DJI seems transfixed on fold-up drones which is going to come back to haunt them. The Mavic is too small to put a proper camera on it with solid low light performance and interchangeable lenses. Who out there would prefer a Phantom type airframe with a camera twice as big as this M3 camera with interchangeable lenses and way better low light performance, raise your hand. It’s coming, but not in a fold up drone.
Wreckhunter
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Nobody wants the phantom style anymore,with big interchangeable lenses,and way too costly.
Portability,so my guess is there would not be too many hands being raised.I hate the phantom style design myself.
DJI will be fine with the fold up type drone.It will not bite them as their technology will continue to improve,meaning
in the camera department.They are the best in the business for a reason.You can try lugging around a phantom style drone
,lets say hiking,climbing and just carrying it around.then tell me what are you going to put it in and how are you going to carry it around in comfort.
Then wonder why they make fold up drones.Yikes lol.
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You keep saying this, but it is incorrect. All that matters is the sensor and aperture value. The M3 is 4/3 and f2.8. The only thing that will improve illuminance on that sensor is opening up the aperture further so, unless you are complaining about the camera being f2.8 rather than f1.8, the size of the camera and lens is not a factor here. The only way that a camera could be "too small to take advantage of a 4/3 sensor" is if it used less than the full sensor area.
I kind of have to agree with Calm Winds here, I would love a larger camera but I really do not want the larger drones. The whole point to the Mavic range imo is the fact that they are just so easy to fold up and transport.
They have great flight times and they do not require you to take serious precautions before and during your flights due to the significant increase in weight and size.
Just like in the Spider-Man movies, with great power comes great responsibility instead in this case its weight lol...
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A P4P weighs about the same as a Mavic, a bit more. And I wouldn’t call it it too terribly hard to transport or set up. Now the I2, yes that’s a pain, that’s why I sold mine, but I find my P4P easy to set up and transport will never sell it.
Technology has its limitations, I don’t see myself ever buying another drone in the Mavic style. For me it’s all about the camera and sensor, they could make a 40 Mega pixel camera, or make an 8k camera, neither would come close in tempting me to buy the M4. Can’t go full frame in a Mavic, don’t need full frame anyways, can’t make the camera that big, and even if they add optical zoom it’s still a miniaturized compact design which will always have too many limitations. Zoom lenses will never be as good as Prime lenses.
Let’s face the facts, a lot of people who just bought this M3 waisted their money. Anyone who doesn’t know how to do digital panning cropping and zooming waisted their money when they bought this drone. Under most circumstances I can’t tell the difference between Mavic mini video and M3 video on YouTube. The differences are not apparent till we crop the video, and I rarely see drone video that’s been cropped.
There is no way to improve this M3, I’m not about to drop another $3k on a drone just to get 8k or more MP, and not interested in using optical zoom lenses, had one for my x5s used it 3 times, you don’t need optical zoom when the camera has 4k res and you know how to do smoother digital zooms in post.
The next drone I buy will be comparable to the Phantom airframe, have a 4/3rds or even full frame sensor, and will have interchangeable lenses.
Yeah I have always heard good things about the P4P, but as my first ever drone was the M2 and I do not drive (just cycle) it was just perfect for cycling around with.
I am pretty sure that the M3 footage is significantly better than the Mini though dude, maybe on YT there is not much of a difference, but on your own 4K tv I am sure you would see a massive improvement, but I am just assuming here.
I am pretty sure that the M3 footage is significantly better than the Mini though dude, maybe on YT there is not much of a difference, but on your own 4K tv I am sure you would see a massive improvement, but I am just assuming here.
Illuminance depends only on the sensor size and aperture. If the I2 has a larger aperture than f2.8 then that will improve illuminance, which will improve IQ, all other things being equal. But IQ also depends on the sensor resolution and photosite efficiency and noise floor - does the I2 use the exact same sensor, not just the same sensor size?
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