no-fly zones

GH02050 · Apr 1, 2019

I have to say I was super excited to get going with my new toy (Mavic 2 pro) but it appears I live a seriously congested no-fly & restricted fly area. I live inside of the orange circle area (a few miles from a small local airport), so as i understand it, I can't fly this at my house or in my neighborhood and most of the areas we frequent (beaches/boat) are no-fly zones. Basically the entire Cape Cod national sea shore is no-fly -WTF. The green lines below represent the areas we boat and beach in the summer and most of it is impacted in some way. Now I'm wondering if should just return the Drone and buy another stand up paddle board. I guess I don't even have a question, this is my first post and it's a basically just a rant. I don't really want to return this but DAM that's a pretty depressing map.

53-63-6f-74-74 · Apr 1, 2019

DJI FlySafe

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Look here to see what you'll actually be dealing with in the Go4 app. Be sure to check the boxes to show "warning zones" and "enhanced warning zones". Both require nothing more than checking a box in the Go4 app. They are not "No Fly Zones". There are plenty of places to fly but bear in mind that you still need to notify airports within 5 miles when flying under Part 336. National Parks will most likely always be off limits for flight.

Drbobk · Apr 1, 2019

As 53-63-6f-74-74 said above, all airports are not no-fly zones. The sectional shows that these (Provincetown, Plymouth, Marshfield) are not Class b, C, D, or E airspace, so you are not prevented from flying there. But some of the orange zones are around a nuclear power plant, and a jail, so don't go there.

GH02050 · Apr 1, 2019

The Fly safe GEO zone map is a lot less depressing.
It doesn't even show anything for the Marshfield Mun. Airport.

JSKCKNIT · Apr 1, 2019

Lol could be worse!

How are the winds out on the Cape? I used to live out by Worcester. Going to go visit friends late Spring, thinking about shooting out to the Cape to fly as well.

brett8883 · Apr 1, 2019

Not trying to be a negative Nancy but I think it’s important to make sure the rules are understood so if you break them that’s at least a conscious decision.

If your are a recreational pilot in the US, as @53-63-6f-74-74 said above, even if the airport does not have its own controlled airspace you still need to notify them. Even if DJI doesn’t have a geozone or lets you self-unlock you still need to know if you are within 5 miles of an airport.

GH02050 · Apr 2, 2019

brett8883- Nope that isn't being a negative Nancy at all. I am defiantly as green as they get with the rules of flight. I do fully intend on understanding the rules completely before I take off (if I ever do).

JSKCKNIT- The winds on the Cape vary greatly but I usually make a day of it over there by boat so I'm usually there in pretty favorable conditions. Your Geo map looks terrible. You must have to travel to fly.

AirMap shows the local airport and provides the # to call. I would have to probably call two local airports to be in compliance
as my local flights could come within 5 miles of both. I have about 10 more days do decide if I keep this or not

izzy · Apr 2, 2019

I was in Scottsdale AZ, and the controller said NFZ baseball game and It wouldn't let me take off. I tried for 30 minutes and nothing. Help!

53-63-6f-74-74 · Apr 2, 2019

izzy said:
I was in Scottsdale AZ, and the controller said NFZ baseball game and It wouldn't let me take off. I tried for 30 minutes and nothing. Help!

If it's a true NFZ or TFR then no one can help. You're not allowed to fly there.

Montana John · Apr 2, 2019

GH02050 said:
I have to say I was super excited to get going with my new toy (Mavic 2 pro) but it appears I live a seriously congested no-fly & restricted fly area. I live inside of the orange circle area (a few miles from a small local airport), so as i understand it, I can't fly this at my house or in my neighborhood and most of the areas we frequent (beaches/boat) are no-fly zones. Basically the entire Cape Cod national sea shore is no-fly -WTF. The green lines below represent the areas we boat and beach in the summer and most of it is impacted in some way. Now I'm wondering if should just return the Drone and buy another stand up paddle board. I guess I don't even have a question, this is my first post and it's a basically just a rant. I don't really want to return this but DAM that's a pretty depressing map.
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Recall that the FAA does not have patrolling agents, like game wardens. They respond to incidents of injury or serious property damage. They are a buraucracy, not primarily a law enforcement agency. So, if you are unobstrucive, polite, and are ready to leave a site rather than protest about your rights to be there, and observe all the safety rules, it is very likely you can fly almost anywhere, as watching You Tube videos will demonstrate.

izzy · Apr 2, 2019

53-63-6f-74-74 said:
If it's a true NFZ or TFR then no one can help. You're not allowed to fly there.

I just talked to DJI they told me to e-mail them with all my info. And they would unlock my drone for that location.
I was 5 miles away from the ball park, and just wanted some pics of the pool, like from 30 feet high, how would that mess with a baseball game? Preseason

Drbobk · Apr 2, 2019

I can understand a 5 mile radius around an airport, because of potential conflicts with airport traffic. But is it 5 miles around a baseball game? That's crazy. One mile would be a ridiculous safety buffer.

Drbobk · Apr 2, 2019

And are these FAA zones or DJI zones?

izzy · Apr 2, 2019

Montana John said:
Recall that the FAA does not have patrolling agents, like game wardens. They respond to incidents of injury or serious property damage. They are a buraucracy, not primarily a law enforcement agency. So, if you are unobstrucive, polite, and are ready to leave a site rather than protest about your rights to be there, and observe all the safety rules, it is very likely you can fly almost anywhere, as watching You Tube videos will demonst

53-63-6f-74-74 said:

If it's a true NFZ or TFR then no one can help. You're not allowed to fly there.

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I just talked to DJI they told me to e-mail them with all my info. And they would unlock my drone for that location.

brett8883 · Apr 2, 2019

Montana John said:
Recall that the FAA does not have patrolling agents, like game wardens. They respond to incidents of injury or serious property damage. They are a buraucracy, not primarily a law enforcement agency. So, if you are unobstrucive, polite, and are ready to leave a site rather than protest about your rights to be there, and observe all the safety rules, it is very likely you can fly almost anywhere, as watching You Tube videos will demonstrate.

This isn’t necessarily true and just because you might not be caught doesn’t mean it’s safe to do so. While I think the UAV mania is over blown when it comes to safety, there are legitimately places where UAVs are dangerous to manned aircraft, like airports, and other places where the Government will see UAVs as legitimate threats even if they are flown but well meaning individuals.

Remember that while the FAA is not primarily a law enforcement agency but the FBI and DHS is. Flying in a temporary NFZ or putting manned aircraft in danger is a great way to get a visit by men in black suits driving unmarked black sedans asking if you have connections to any terrorist organizations.

Just don’t be stupid!

dawgpilot · Apr 2, 2019

Drbobk said:
I can understand a 5 mile radius around an airport, because of potential conflicts with airport traffic. But is it 5 miles around a baseball game? That's crazy. One mile would be a ridiculous safety buffer.

You're a private pilot so I'm surprised you aren't familiar with the gameday TFRs. They have been around for many years. Theory is they are enacted due to congressional lobbying from the professional leagues who wanted to get rid of the banner towing folks that would fly over stadiums and advertise without giving the NFL/MLB, etc their cut.

kadras · Apr 2, 2019

izzy said:
I just talked to DJI they told me to e-mail them with all my info. And they would unlock my drone for that location.
I was 5 miles away from the ball park, and just wanted some pics of the pool, like from 30 feet high, how would that mess with a baseball game? Preseason

The TFR around sporting events is 3 NM radius. Here is the NOTAM FDC 7/4319 text for area affected:
ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL.

7/4319 NOTAM Details

GH02050 · Apr 2, 2019

This all sound like it will only get worse in the future. More Geo fencing, more TFR's and less flying, less useful, less fun.

izzy · Apr 2, 2019

kadras said:
The TFR around sporting events is 3 NM radius. Here is the NOTAM FDC 7/4319 text for area affected:
ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS: 3 NMR OF A QUALIFYING STADIUM OR OTHER SPORTING VENUE HOSTING A QUALIFYING EVENT UP TO AND INCLUDING 3000FT AGL.

7/4319 NOTAM Details

In the Scottsdale , AZ area lots of teams have their spring training so 2 or 3 games could be going on at the same time. Most of the time if i'm in a no fly zone I used to bypass it with a few buttons. My first flight was near Military Base not far from the control tower and runway. I didn't know anything about rules. But I was only going about 15 feet high and 100 feet out, way below the tops of the tree's. I'll never do that again will out calling the tower first.

jacquespa · Apr 2, 2019

GH02050 said:
I have to say I was super excited to get going with my new toy (Mavic 2 pro) but it appears I live a seriously congested no-fly & restricted fly area. I live inside of the orange circle area (a few miles from a small local airport), so as i understand it, I can't fly this at my house or in my neighborhood and most of the areas we frequent (beaches/boat) are no-fly zones. Basically the entire Cape Cod national sea shore is no-fly -WTF. The green lines below represent the areas we boat and beach in the summer and most of it is impacted in some way. Now I'm wondering if should just return the Drone and buy another stand up paddle board. I guess I don't even have a question, this is my first post and it's a basically just a rant. I don't really want to return this but DAM that's a pretty depressing map.
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The Cape can be a frustrating place since the National Seashore would offer some fantastic views but you can't fly there. All of Chatham is within 5 miles of the airport but the AP manager and his staff have been very helpful and easy to work with. I fly conservatively and within the FAA rules and have never been told I should not fly at the town beaches or fields where I go. The same has been true around my home in NJ. I am confident that if you work with your local airport you can find some interesting places to fly too.