100MP and 25MP DNG please

[Mrktn]

I would say your observation is probably pretty accurate. I have noticed that too.

Chris

Ditto

 

[SkySteve83]

Thanks for the link. 3:2 ratio?? This is not good. The 28mm is already a drawback for me and now 3:2 ratio which crops top and bottom of the frame and further narrows the vertical field of view. Why would they do that? Maybe the extreme corners of the 28mm lens are not sharp enough?? For architectural shooters the full 4:3 ratio would at least capture more vertically, given the already narrower field of view from the 28mm lens, and allow us to crop the sky to get the desired perspective of the building.

3:2 is better for most of my work. All my medium format commercial work gets cropped to 3:2 anyway.

 

[Johnmcl7]

3:2 is better for most of my work. All my medium format commercial work gets cropped to 3:2 anyway.

With the 1in, APS-C and FF sensors all using a 3:2 aspect ratio it's what I'm used to for photography for a while now.

 

[Filmarik]

With the 1in, APS-C and FF sensors all using a 3:2 aspect ratio it's what I'm used to for photography for a while now.

I am, like you used to work with FF DSLR cameras which all have 3:2 aspect ratio sensor. But I have options to put on my FF 17mm lens or 24 or 50 or whatever. From ultrawide angle to tele if I want. My point with this M4P 3:2 sensor is that with 4:3 ratio I'd have choice which area to crop to get to 3:2 if that is what I want as my output format. I can keep all the bottom part and only crop the top or keep all the top and crop from bottom. And then there are situations when I want the more squarish format when the subject requires it and that is when 4:3 comes handy and I can use the full realestate of the sensor without cropping.
What I am saying is that the 28mm lens has naturally narrower angle of view compared to 24mm and now with the smaller 3:2 sensor the vertical coverage has been cut to about half. When shooting mostly architecture this makes a massive difference! And all of this without any mention in the spec sheet!!
That is the point I was trying to convey.

 

[Johnmcl7]

Sounds like it's clearcut this isn't the drone for you then.

 

[Filmarik]

Sounds like it's clearcut this isn't the drone for you then.

That is correct.
I was very much looking forward to upgrading to M4P but the 28mm was already a bad news for my line of work, and 3:2 sensor killed it, unfortunately..

 

[Dave Pitman]

To me it inceasingly looks like DJI has shifted its focus firmly on video

For typicl video shooters, maybe. Abandoning ProRes in favor of the All I codec may be a detriment to pro video shooters. The jury is still out on that one.

 

[Filmarik]

For typicl video shooters, maybe. Abandoning ProRes in favor of the All I codec may be a detriment to pro video shooters. The jury is still out on that one.

It is hard to please everyone, I suppose. But some of the choices DJI has made with the M4P are a bit of a head scratchers. One of the big attraction for video shooters was implementation of the eND filter but that is yet to come. Leaving ProRes out is certainly puzzling and I can imagine that many pro video shooters are scratching their heads over that decision. The spinning gimbal enabling vertical shots video and stills( though with very limited tilt movement) is incedible piece of engineering no doubt but apart from the vertical camera position it is a one-trick pony. Does anyone really needs 6K video for insta? Anyway, it is what it is. It will no doubt get better overtime with eND and maybe ProRes will come back via FW update but the 3:2 sensor and 28 mm is here to stay and that is what might be a dealbreaker for some..

 

[Meta4]

It is hard to please everyone, I suppose. But some of the choices DJI has made with the M4P are a bit of a head scratchers. One of the big attraction for video shooters was implementation of the eND filter but that is yet to come. Leaving ProRes out is certainly puzzling and I can imagine that many pro video shooters are scratching their heads over that decision. The spinning gimbal enabling vertical shots video and stills( though with very limited tilt movement) is incedible piece of engineering no doubt but apart from the vertical camera position it is a one-trick pony. Does anyone really needs 6K video for insta? Anyway, it is what it is. It will no doubt get better overtime with eND and maybe ProRes will come back via FW update but the 3:2 sensor and 28 mm is here to stay and that is what might be a dealbreaker for some..

It sounds like a terrible drone to read all the negative posts you've made.
It's a good thing you didn't buy such a disaster.

 

[Filmarik]

It sounds like a terrible drone to read all the negative posts you've made.
It's a good thing you didn't buy such a disaster.

Haha nice sarcasm.
I have only highlighted things which I was not aware of and how and why those things influenced my decision not to buy this drone. Calling DJI out for not disclosing important info about the sensor size and shape is not a crime, is it? You obviously do not mind being mislead or deceived. I never said that this drone was a disaster. It has many well documented amazing features which many people will no doubt appreciate and enjoy. For my line of work many of the new features are not important and those which are have not met my expectations. Your needs may differ and if this drone meets your needs I am perfectly fine with that.

 

[Meta4]

Calling DJI out for not disclosing important info about the sensor size and shape is not a crime, is it? You obviously do not mind being mislead or deceived.

I wasn't deceived.
I knew the main camera's aspect ratio was 3:2 because I read the specs.

As for the sensor size and shape, I couldn't care if it was a hexagon and the change from 24mm equivalent to 28 mm is trivial

I never said that this drone was a disaster. It has many well documented amazing features which many people will no doubt appreciate and enjoy. For my line of work many of the new features are not important and those which are have not met my expectations. Your needs may differ and if this drone meets your needs I am perfectly fine with that.

I've just taken mine for a test flight and it flies wonderfully and the test images look like the two tele cameras are significantly improved.
I think it's going to be fantastic for my work.
The extra speed will be a real plus.
The only little niggle I picked up was that I wasn't able to catch it and had to land on the ground.
I'll have to investigate that further.

 

[Chrislaf]

I've just taken mine for a test flight and it flies wonderfully and the test images look like the two tele cameras are significantly improved.

Can you post some comparison photos from your Mavic 3 Pro and Mavic 4 Pro from those two cameras and even the main wide angle camera.

Chris

 

[Meta4]

Can you post some comparison photos from your Mavic 3 Pro and Mavic 4 Pro from those two cameras and even the main wide angle camera.

I'll try for some proper same subject, same time comparison shots.
Might take a day or two though.

 

[Meta4]

Can you post some comparison photos from your Mavic 3 Pro and Mavic 4 Pro from those two cameras and even the main wide angle camera.

Meanwhile here are a few test images I shot
There are 4 sets of 3 comparing the different cameras and 4 extra grab shots from the main camera.

Mavic 4 pro example images - Above & Beyond Photography

This gallery hosted by SmugMug; your photos look better here.

abovephotos.smugmug.com

Here's a download link for the whole set:

https://smugmug.link/THkgqWnorFxyeA7w7

Or you can download individual images separately.

The photos are jpg straight from the camera.
I was impressed with the detail in all three cameras.

 

[Filmarik]

I wasn't deceived.
I knew the main camera's aspect ratio was 3:2 because I read the specs.

As for the sensor size and shape, I couldn't care if it was a hexagon and the change from 24mm equivalent to 28 mm is trivial

I've just taken mine for a test flight and it flies wonderfully and the test images look like the two tele cameras are significantly improved.
I think it's going to be fantastic for my work.
The extra speed will be a real plus.
The only little niggle I picked up was that I wasn't able to catch it and had to land on the ground.
I'll have to investigate that further.

I am glad to hear you are happy with it.

 

[Filmarik]

I wasn't deceived.
I knew the main camera's aspect ratio was 3:2 because I read the specs.

As for the sensor size and shape, I couldn't care if it was a hexagon and the change from 24mm equivalent to 28 mm is trivial

I've just taken mine for a test flight and it flies wonderfully and the test images look like the two tele cameras are significantly improved.
I think it's going to be fantastic for my work.
The extra speed will be a real plus.
The only little niggle I picked up was that I wasn't able to catch it and had to land on the ground.
I'll have to investigate that further.

This is the spec sheet for M4P. Where does it say that the main camera sensor is cropped M43 to 3:2 ratio?? You only worked it out from the pixel count.

 

[Meta4]

This is the spec sheet for M4P. Where does it say that the main camera sensor is cropped M43 to 3:2 ratio?? You only worked it out from the pixel count.

Yes, the pixel count shows that the aspect ratio is 3:2.
The same aspect ratio as the SLR and Phantom 4 pro which I've used for many years.

The specs don't say that it's cropped.
That's something that you've guessed at.

But for my work, none of that matters.
What I care about is .. do the cameras give good rendering of detail, is the exposure good etc.

 

[Filmarik]

Yes, the pixel count shows that the aspect ratio is 3:2.
The same aspect ratio as the SLR and Phantom 4 pro which I've used for many years.

The specs don't say that it's cropped.
That's something that you've guessed at.

But for my work, none of that matters.
What I care about is .. do the cameras give good rendering of detail, is the exposure good etc.

DJI kept saying all along that the main camera of this drone has M43 100MP sensor. M43 sensor is a sensor with aspect ratio 4:3 and dimension 17.3 x 13mm. Such is the 20 MP sensor in M3P which shoots 4:3 aspect ratio photos.
The sensor in this drone however shoots 3:2 so the dimension is likely 17.3 x 11.5mm. I get it that this small difference in vertical dimension does not matter to you but strictly speaking it is a deceptive info on the spec sheet. In all advertising material associated with releasing of this new drone it says M43 sensor. I do believe that it should have been clearly stipulated that this is 3:2 sensor derived from M43. Combination of 28mm lens on a marginally smaller sensor compared to 24mm on full dimension M43 sensor makes significant difference in vertical field of view coverage. To some it might be irrelevat or even trifling but in reality it can make the difference between being able to take the shot or not, for example when shooting a house in a tight space.
Anyway, no hard feelings. Enjoy your new drone and happy shooting and flying!!

 

[Meta4]

DJI kept saying all along that the main camera of this drone has M43 100MP sensor. M43 sensor is a sensor with aspect ratio 4:3 and dimension 17.3 x 13mm.

I can't recall DJI ever saying that the main camera sensor would have an aspect ratio 4:3 and dimension 17.3 x 13mm.
DJI rarely if ever give out sensor dimensions.
Are you sure you got that info from DJI?

The sensor in this drone however shoots 3:2 so the dimension is likely 17.3 x 11.5mm. I get it that this small difference in vertical dimension does not matter to you but strictly speaking it is a deceptive info on the spec sheet.

The specs don't say anything about sensor dimensions.
DJI has never given sensor dimensions in their specs.

In all advertising material associated with releasing of this new drone it says M43 sensor. I do believe that it should have been clearly stipulated that this is 3:2 sensor derived from M43.

Perhaps you should read post #14 again.
Does that help to explain the situation?

 

[Filmarik]

I can't recall DJI ever saying that the main camera sensor would have an aspect ratio 4:3 and dimension 17.3 x 13mm.
DJI rarely if ever give out sensor dimensions.
Are you sure you got that info from DJI?


The specs don't say anything about sensor dimensions.
DJI has never given sensor dimensions in their specs.

Perhaps you should read post #14 again.
Does that help to explain the situation?

I do not know if you are aware of a sensor size convenction. FF is 3:2 36x24mm, M43 is 4:3 17.3x13mm 1" is 3:2 13.2x8.8mm etc..DJI has adhered to this convenction up until this M4P main camera sensor. On all marketing material they have published they state that the main Hassy camera has indeed the M43 sensor. But in reality it does not have M43 in true sense of the broadly accepted definition of such sensor because it is not 4:3 but 3:2. And they did not say it clearly anywhere. That is my point. Again this might not matter to you but the fact remains that DJI did not declare that this camera does not have M43 17.3x13mm sensor but only cropped down version of it. And that is in my book a deceptive conduct.
Anyway, it obviously does not matter to you and that is fair enough. It however matters to me because it limits what I could do with that camera in my line of work and therefore I decided not to buy it. I never said that the M4P is a disaster or a bad drone. It is an amazing machine with amazing RC Pro 2 controler and OcuSync 4 and spinning gimbal and 6K video etc etc.
So enjoy it, take great JPEGs with it and be happy with your purchase