Are Automatics , technology & AI ruining skills and the industry ?

[Cafguy]

A.I. isnt picky, it will end up taking everyones job eventually. Remember when you went to the doctor and saw....A doctor? I can't recall one time in the last ten years that I actually was treated by my doctor and not a nurse practitioner
just imagine the future tho...Machines doing it all and us monkeys running around "dusting" it for peanuts.
lets all just hope the Machines like to be Dusted.

 

[Pacefast]

My background is Aviation as a Captain past 27 years on corporate jets with an ATPL
I am trying to build a small drone business and am self taught in flying and editing to a good standard!

A week ago a young lady jumped out of a real estate sgents car. She took out a mini 4 pro took it vertically up to 30 / 40 feet and took pictures of a house !
Having a chat her knowledge was almost zero

Is technology and automatics making drones too easy to fly meaning potential work for skilled pilots is drying up ?

I can see on the editing side where AI is taking over editing skills That soon you will up load your footage and AI will churn out an edited version with timed music, Transitions intros etc all applied ?

I remember in General Aviation the Cirrus SR 20/ 21 with its BRS recovery and automatic safety features was ecouraging pilots to fly out of their skill levels, knowing that if they lost it at night or in cloud bad weather they only had to instigate the Chute
Engine failures where pilots practised forced landings into ifields in event of engine failures were frowned on by Cirrus who now considered pulling the chute a better option than skills attempting an off field landing !

Be interested to hear others opinions on Drone technology , Automation and AiI removing the need for learned skilld ?

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[Pacefast]

A.I. isnt picky, it will end up taking everyones job eventually. Remember when you went to the doctor and saw....A doctor? I can't recall one time in the last ten years that I actually was treated by my doctor and not a nurse practitioner
just imagine the future tho...Machines doing it all and us monkeys running around "dusting" it for peanuts.
lets all just hope the Machines like to be Dusted.

Interesting the UK NHS have tested Ai GPS against real GPS on diagnosing Illness and Ai was more accurate so I can see where waiting lists for GPs will be cut by using Ai to filter out patients who do not really need to see a GP

 

[Kilrah]

I don't know if it will fix everything but it will fix a lot and by that, I mean the downright stupid stuff that is still happening to us despite our best efforts. but we are not there yet, AI is going through some rough phases where everyone is still trying to make money off of it rather than putting it to work. It's going to be awhile but it will happen.

I think once it catches on with real work and real results, it will take off.

And once it does nobody will want to have pesky, needy and unreliable humans do anything, so unless you're in the 1% who need to keep doing menial tasks to keep the machines running you'll just be left to rot and die in a corner. What a great prospect!

 

[Felix le Chat]

A.I. isnt picky, it will end up taking everyones job eventually. Remember when you went to the doctor and saw....A doctor? I can't recall one time in the last ten years that I actually was treated by my doctor and not a nurse practitioner
just imagine the future tho...Machines doing it all and us monkeys running around "dusting" it for peanuts.
lets all just hope the Machines like to be Dusted.

Dusted.... What? Instead of the humans?

 

[anotherlab]

AI is like any disruptive change in technology. Some jobs will be eliminated, some jobs will be created; everyone else takes advantage of the drudge work that the AI is able to do.

AI didn't replace doctors with nurse practitioners and physician assistants. In that case, correlation does not imply causation. The increased demand brought NPs and PAs in to fill the gaps because we don't have enough doctors. While AI can do a really good job of scanning MRI images, it doesn't replace the physician making the final call. It's one more tool to use.

I work for a large software company that is embracing the use of AI tools. We look at it as a tool that saves time, not as a tool that replaces people. The companies that eliminate or stop hiring entry-level employees because of AI are making a mistake that will ultimately harm them. They will have lost that new generation of workers.

Some jobs will be lost forever. When transponders like EZ-Pass became popular, toll booth operators found their jobs redundant. Many of those operators retired or were retrained for other roles, but those jobs are never coming back. The long lines at tool booths are largely a thing of the past,

 

[Pacefast]

When AI works the way it supposed to, this is what AI will prevent. We've done everything we can to prevent this and nothing is working. AI will fix this by not allowing that jet to accelerate down the runway and collide with a bunch of innocent passengers because the pilot made a mistake or the tower made a bad call; this is going to end if AI is done properly.

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>>The crash of
Colgan Air Flight 3407 in 2009 was a pivotal event that prompted Congress and the FAA to mandate upset prevention and recovery training (UPRT) for airline pilots. The accident, caused by a stall during approach, highlighted shortcomings in pilot training and simulator fidelity, leading to legislation requiring airlines to provide specific training on handling aircraft upsets in simulators<<

This was caused by pilots becoming too attached to technology and not solid basic flying skills
The FAA then mandated upset handling skills into sim training

I am not in the slightest against these aids or protections but here id the crux

No aids should be a substitute for basic handling skills and expertise whether that is Aviation or Drones
They should be a tool to add to those skills not to replace them
We have a danger that automation is replacing solid skills
In the case of Drones piloting or editing makes the end result FAKE as in my example video here

Just my opinion

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[mavic3usa]

>>The crash of
Colgan Air Flight 3407 in 2009 was a pivotal event that prompted Congress and the FAA to mandate upset prevention and recovery training (UPRT) for airline pilots. The accident, caused by a stall during approach, highlighted shortcomings in pilot training and simulator fidelity, leading to legislation requiring airlines to provide specific training on handling aircraft upsets in simulators<<

This was caused by pilots becoming too attached to technology and not solid basic flying skills
The FAA then mandated upset handling skills into sim training

I am not in the slightest against these aids or protections but here id the crux

No aids should be a substitute for basic handling skills and expertise whether that is Aviation or Drones
They should be a tool to add to those skills not to replace them
We have a danger that automation is replacing solid skills
In the case of Drones piloting or editing makes the end result FAKE as in my example video here

Just my opinion

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I don't expect AI fly and land planes. I expect AI to prevent a pilot from making a mistake. If the tower tells you to turn right and stop short of an active runway and you acknowledge that but you go ahead and try to cross that runway anyway *and* there is a plane moving quickly up the runway trying to take off or an inbound aircraft landing that has not been told to go around *and* AI has calculated an imminent collision, AI will brake the airplane for you and save the passengers lives. What's to not like about that?

 

[anotherlab]

I don't expect AI fly and land planes. I expect AI to prevent a pilot from making a mistake. If the tower tells you to turn right and stop short of an active runway and you acknowledge that but you go ahead and try to cross that runway anyway *and* there is a plane moving quickly up the runway trying to take off or an inbound aircraft landing that has not been told to go around *and* AI has calculated an imminent collision, AI will brake the airplane for you and save the passengers lives. What's to not like about that?

I wouldn't go as far as having an AI system apply the brakes automatically while the plane is on the runway. You want to avoid the situation where you would have to apply the brakes.

Take the crash on Wednesday evening between two Delta jets at LaGuardia that were taxiing on the runway. The root cause will likely be determined to be pilot error from not maintaining situational awareness. Because it was at night, the nose lights were off to prevent planes from blinding each other on the runway. That reduced the visibility as the pilots would only see the lights on the wings of the other aircraft.

LaGuard has an FAA-installed advanced surface radar system for tracking vehicles on the runway. An AI system could monitor the planes and other vehicles and match them with aircraft expected to be arriving or departing. When the AI detects the potential for a vehicle collision, it could notify ATC and the individual planes.

 

[Kilrah]

I expect AI to prevent a pilot from making a mistake. If the tower tells you to turn right and stop short of an active runway and you acknowledge that but you go ahead and try to cross that runway anyway *and* there is a plane moving quickly up the runway trying to take off or an inbound aircraft landing that has not been told to go around *and* AI has calculated an imminent collision, AI will brake the airplane for you and save the passengers lives. What's to not like about that?

None of this requires "AI", it's just simple logic.

 

[mavic3usa]

None of this requires "AI", it's just simple logic.

Not true. Unfortunately I can't explain it here. This is one of the problems with real AI, people are not understanding it and "true AI" is having trouble catching on as long as people continue to believe it is just glorified "simple logic."

We'll get there and eventually people will get it.

 

[Kilrah]

as long as people continue to believe it is just glorified "simple logic."

What I mean is it can be done with simple logic, doesn't require the use of nondeterministic AI/ML.

 

[mavic3usa]

What I mean is it can be done with simple logic, doesn't require the use of nondeterministic AI/ML.

That won't work, we've already tried that and simple logic = accidents (because people are not perfect and they make mistakes). My goal is to eliminate all preventable accidents. I understand there will be malfunctions, etc.

 

[Kilrah]

I understand there will be malfunctions, etc.

No better than either logic or people then, just different failure modes but that will be unknown while we know the existing ones

 

[mavic3usa]

No better than either logic or people then, just different failure modes but that will be unknown while we know the existing ones

Using AI to predict mechanical failures and prevent all other types of failure will be another phase but that will eventually happen as well. We need to end doors not being properly latched, bolts not being properly tightened, tires not being properly inflated, and other user errors. Still when bad things can go wrong, but AI will handle it smarter than any pilot ever will and while we won't have perfection, you won't be able to fly off the end of a runway (by accident) or cut the fuel switch in mid-flight or collide with military helicopters flying recklessly at low altitudes without regard for passenger traffic.

 

[anotherlab]

Using AI to predict mechanical failures and prevent all other types of failure will be another phase but that will eventually happen as well. We need to end doors not being properly latched, bolts not being properly tightened, tires not being properly inflated, and other user errors. Still when bad things can go wrong, but AI will handle it smarter than any pilot ever will and while we won't have perfection, you won't be able to fly off the end of a runway (by accident) or cut the fuel switch in mid-flight or collide with military helicopters flying recklessly at low altitudes without regard for passenger traffic.

How is AI going to identify bolts not being tightened or even installed? Take Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 as an example. A door was missing four bolts and that caused a sudden decompression incident.

 

[Ralph thompson]

I’d say never underestimate technology. Few of us would be flying drones if it wasn’t for the geniuses at DJI in-particular who developed the control system and reliability of todays drones. Try flying a RC aircraft. In the 80’s twin engined commercial airliners were restricted in oceanic flights, now ETOPs aircraft fly the Pacific 2hrs from the nearest airport. Commercial aircraft are totally capable of and do land completely automatically today, even in CAT III conditions although pilots are required to make so many manual landings to maintain their ratings. Its not complicated to fly a DJI mini to a few hundred feet and take photographs, plus they only fly in CAVOK and low wind conditions to avoid ruffling their hair ).