For US Pilots only… If you have a Part 107 Certification, do you need a TRUST Certificate to fly Recreationally?

[LoudThunder]

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This subject has come up in the past but with the "Drone Drought," more of the members are acquiring their Part 107 Certification having never owned a drone and never had a reason to get the TRUST Certificate.

So the question is if a pilot has a current Part 107 Certification, do they also need to have a TRUST Certificate to Fly Recreationally.

The answer is YES! And here it is directly from the proverbial "Horse's Mouth…" Actually, the FAA…

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[mavic3usa]

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid getting TRUST when it's free and you cannot fail it. The only downside is not having it when asked for it (if someone were to believe *all* pilots need a TRUST) but if you think about it, how can anyone hold a part 107 pilot to a "recreational flight" when they have a part 107? There's no way to demand a TRUST when the pilot can claim 100% of their flights are under part 107. The only reason I can think of is when the part 107 pilot applies for LAANC under 44809 with a drone registered under 44809 where you probably cannot officially present a part 107 certificate to cover that flight. Bottom line, get your TRUST to be on the safe side during these particular times.

 

[AliasFlyer]

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid getting TRUST when it's free and you cannot fail it. The only downside is not having it when asked for it (if someone were to believe *all* pilots need a TRUST) but if you think about it, how can anyone hold a part 107 pilot to a "recreational flight" when they have a part 107? There's no way to demand a TRUST when the pilot can claim 100% of their flights are under part 107. The only reason I can think of is when the part 107 pilot applies for LAANC under 44809 with a drone registered under 44809 where you probably cannot officially present a part 107 certificate to cover that flight. Bottom line, get your TRUST to be on the safe side during these particular times.

Forgive me if I'm muddying the waters, but why would a part 107 pilot apply for laanc under 44809?

I don't have 107 and only submit laanc as 44809, but I'm still curious.

 

[mavic3usa]

Forgive me if I'm muddying the waters, but why would a part 107 pilot apply for laanc under 44809?

I don't have 107 and only submit laanc as 44809, but I'm still curious.

I think you just mentioned the situation. The part 107 flyer who intends to fly recreational and has a drone registered at faa.gov as recreational (so the drone still has a recreational registration sticker #) who opens the Air Control app to submit LAANC and they have to choose Commercial or Recreational so you choose Recreational....do not have to do this but they could and if they do, I suspect you need to have a TRUST for this fun operation regardless if you have a part 107 certificate or not. However, I think my point was it is entirely conceivable that a part 107 would never end up doing this so why do they need a TRUST? But I guess FAA says you need it if you fly recreational.

 

[MS Coast]

The part 107 flyer who intends to fly recreational and has a drone registered at faa.gov as recreational (so the drone still has a recreational registration sticker #) who opens the Air Control app to submit LAANC and they have to choose Commercial or Recreational so you choose Recreational..

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This is getting muddy. There is no FAA recreational drone registration. People register as a recreational pilot and use their registration number on multiple drones flown exclusively for recreational purposes under 44809.

Any drone flown commercially under Part 107 must have an individual drone registration. A Part 107 rated pilot can't legally fly a drone commercially unless the drone is individually registered. In the situation described, the pilot has no option but to make the flight recreational.

The TRUST requirement is very simple. If it's a recreational flight, the pilot must have the TRUST certificate. That goes for little Timmy who just got a drone for his birthday and the the F-35 pilot and astronaut who has a Part 107 ticket and 10,000 hours of drone flight time.

 

[mavic3usa]

This is getting muddy. There is no FAA recreational drone registration. People can register as a recreational pilot and use their registration number on multiple drones flown exclusively for recreational purposes under 44809.

Of course there is. When I go into faa.gov for my drone registration details, I go thru this:

Recreational Flyer Dashboard​

I don't have a part 107 but I'm pretty sure there is a different dashboard for part 107, no?

When I enter the recreational flyer dashboard, I am required to individually list each and every drone I own (which I intend to register) and those details are stored in the FAA database. At that point, my last step is to take my registration number and attach to same number to each and every drone in my listing. Unlike years ago where the recreational pilot was registered, these days, the drone is registered individually by the one registration number plus the drone's serial number or RID.

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The rest of this I'm not going to address because you repeated what I said in a different way because you refuse to understand what I wrote. But that's ok, you can be right too....just like me. I'll say it again for you.....

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid getting TRUST ..... Bottom line, get your TRUST to be on the safe side.....

 

[MS Coast]

Recreational registration - one number for the person used on one or more drones.
Commercial - unique number for each drone.
TRUST required for all recreational flights. No safe side. No refusals. No fuss about right/wrong, just simple clarity.

 

[mavic3usa]

Recreational registration - one number for the person used on one or more drones.
Commercial - unique number for each drone.
TRUST required for all recreational flights. No safe side. No refusals. No fuss about right/wrong, just simple clarity.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

When I enter the recreational flyer dashboard, I am required to individually list each and every drone I own (which I intend to register) and those details are stored in the FAA database. At that point, my last step is to take my registration number and attach to same number to each and every drone in my listing.

I suspect you need to have a TRUST for this fun operation regardless if you have a part 107 certificate or not.

And just for the record for clarification, the part 107 pilot *must* have a unique registration for each and every drone but as a recreational pilot, it is optional meaning I can have just one number but if I want to have a unique registration for each drone, I go into the portal and create 4 profiles and pay $5 for each profile and get 4 different registration numbers and then attach the correct number to the correct drone. I might want to do that for *personal* reasons so don't ask why only that it can be done. There's no rule against it that I am aware of. This is all about money, nothing else. There is no safety reason or any other reason for it but either: can't bilk the hobby drone pilot for $5 for every single drone and every change to registration *or* since you gave them a license, you *can* bilk the commercial drone pilot for as much as you want as often as you want.

Plenty of people have a few of their personal drones logged into the recreational portal side of the registration database for drone they only fly recreational and then one day when they get their part 107 for the job and fly the job's drone, that drone is the only drone logging into their commercial registration. when they fly their personal drones logged into the recreational registration portal, they need a TRUST.

 

[LoudThunder]

I am required to individually list each and every drone I own (which I intend to register) and those details are stored in the FAA database.

If a drone under 250-grams and it is only flown recreationally, it is NOT required to be registered. Any drone that weighs 250-plus grams is required to be registered whether it is flown under 44809 or Part 107.

If a pilot with both a TRUST and a Part 107 Certification has a drone that weighs less than 250-grams and they only fly it under 44809 recreationally it is not required to be registered. However, if they have a second drone that weighs less than 250-grams and it is flown under Part 107, it must be registered, no matter how little it weighs and it must also meet Remote ID requirements, which usually puts that drone over the 250-gram weight limit anyway…

 

[mavic3usa]

If a drone under 250-grams and it is only flown recreationally, it is NOT required to be registered. Any drone that weighs 250-plus grams is required to be registered whether it is flown under 44809 or Part 107.

If a pilot with both a TRUST and a Part 107 Certification has a drone that weighs less than 250-grams and they only fly it under 44809 recreationally it is not required to be registered. However, if they have a second drone that weighs less than 250-grams and it is flown under Part 107, it must be registered, no matter how little it weighs and it must also meet Remote ID requirements, which usually puts that drone over the 250-gram weight limit anyway…

Thank you; exactly what I have been doing for many years now.

 

[Dmcvey]

As a company with 85 operators, we do not require TRUST. The company issued drone will never be flown recreationally.

 

[LoudThunder]

we do not require TRUST. The company issued drone will never be flown recreationally.

I would ask that you pass this information on to your 85 "operators", some may think that their Part 107 covers them when they are "off-duty" flying their personal drones recreationally.