Just curious, but why are people so anti Remote I. D.

[mavic3usa]

Personally, why would I want to fly with RID disabled if it's against the law? I comply with local laws and aviation authorities. Those who do will probably never be stopped because there are few agents on the ground. But imagine for a second that you have a serious accident with your drone, there will be an investigation, probably by the FAA (if you are in the United States), and if they see that your RID transmitter has been disconnected, you could really be in big trouble.

You cannot fly a DJI drone with a disconnect RID transmitter.

 

[Cafguy]

The only time the FAA will ever know if your RID was on and functioning while in flight is for the pilot to do something really stupid and either crash the drone and cause damage or have the drone confiscated only then could anyone examine the flight records and diagnose the RID. The FAA could pull up to you in a half dozen SUVs but no one inside has the equipment to tell if your RIDis transmitting let alone functioning. If someone ever got fined for this it’s only after the drone was examined or it was obvious that the drone had no functioning RID. On my homebuilds the little RID chip is easy to point to and if they have any reason to think otherwise I suppose they could stick their finger on the chip and feel that it’s warm.

 

[MS Coast]

As I personally know more people who own firearms than people who own drones and one of them had a visit from armed police (the Ken/Karen might have been put off by the presence of the ‘firearm’) I’ll go with the busybody turning up on my doorstep once the news is spread all over (anti)social media. We don’t all live in ‘nice’ areas.

RID has been in use for a year and there has been no problems with evil people tracking and attacking, or even confronting, pilots. The news has been out. The apps have been readily available. Based on what's actually been seen in the field, the threat is imagined rather than real.

 

[Harro]

Human nature at work. People in general, are almost always negative in their views and attitudes, If someone says it is white, the almost instant knee jerk reaction is to say no, it is black.

 

[DARKSeifer]

Because privacy is a human right.

 

[mavic3usa]

RID has been in use for a year and there has been no problems with evil people tracking and attacking, or even confronting, pilots. The news has been out. The apps have been readily available. Based on what's actually been seen in the field, the threat is imagined rather than real.

None of the apps work; the public refuses to use them. They download, try it on a drone they see, don't pickup anything, they delete it.

One of these days you'll discuss RID instead of Karen's behavior.

 

[MS Coast]

None of the apps work; the public refuses to use them. They download, try it on a drone they see, don't pickup anything, they delete it.

The ones I've downloaded and used work just fine. I know of a few people, mostly drone pilots, who have used them without problems, Drone Scanner seems to be a good one. I won't pretend to speak for the public at large.

One of these days you'll discuss RID instead of Karen's behavior.

I've not been discussing the behavior of so-called Karens. The comments here have been about the absence of RID-related problems and the fear that some drone pilots have of being tracked down and harmed or scolded, some to the point of arming themselves with bear spray and firearms.

Is there a particular aspect of RID that you'd like me to comment on?

 

[mavic3usa]

The ones I've downloaded and used work just fine. I know of a few people, mostly drone pilots, who have used them without problems, Drone Scanner seems to be a good one. I won't pretend to speak for the public at large.

So you spotted a drone somewhere in the while and you pulled out your Drone Scanner app and detected the RID and then located the pilot?

I've not been discussing the behavior of so-called Karens. The comments here have been about the absence of RID-related problems and the fear that some drone pilots have of being tracked down and harmed or scolded, some to the point of arming themselves with bear spray and firearms.

Is there a particular aspect of RID that you'd like me to comment on?

That's funny I asked the FAA the same question "Is there any known instance of an FAA or law enforcement using RID to detect an illegal drone and locate the pilot?" and he says the same thing you say which is since we don't know of an instance, we conclude the situation never happens.

 

[MS Coast]

So you spotted a drone somewhere in the while and you pulled out your Drone Scanner app and detected the RID and then located the pilot?

Yes.

That's funny I asked the FAA the same question "Is there any known instance of an FAA or law enforcement using RID to detect an illegal drone and locate the pilot?" and he says the same thing you say which is since we don't know of an instance, we conclude the situation never happens.

I can't speak for the FAA staffer , but when I said that I don't know of an instance of anyone being tracked down with RID and harmed or yelled at, I meant simply that I don't know of an instance. Since no one else has mentioned one, that suggests that there aren't many instances. I've never won a lottery jackpot, but that doesn't mean I don't think anyone wins. There aren't many of those, either.

 

[Cafguy]

There is no government approved app to track down drone pilots. Government employees cannot use unapproved apps in the course of their jobs. They cannot use their personal devices either so they can download an app to their phone or pad but they can’t use it on the job. If there is indeed an approved government RID reader then I would love to hear the name of it.

 

[mavic3usa]

Yes.


I can't speak for the FAA staffer , but when I said that I don't know of an instance of anyone being tracked down with RID and harmed or yelled at, I meant simply that I don't know of an instance. Since no one else has mentioned one, that suggests that there aren't many instances. I've never won a lottery jackpot, but that doesn't mean I don't think anyone wins. And there aren't many of those, either.

Awesome, I'm glad your questions and answers only pertain to your limited personal experience. A couple of times I thought the way you asked it as if it were relevant to the topic we were discussing but you were just chiming in from personal experience; got it.

 

[Chip]

When the Remote ID Regs were under review, DJI itself pointed out the danger of armed confrontation with belligerents.

Given that some drones have been targeted by gunfire and some drone pilots have been threatened with assault despite flying legally, DJI believes it is prudent to allow individual drone owners to avoid disclosing their identities to the general public. The interest in privacy is, unfortunately, arguably heightened compared to manned aircraft considering the occasional violent confrontations that UAS operators have faced over the last few years, including physical assault and gunfire. A system that enables belligerent individuals to look up the name and address of, and then knock on the door of, a local UAS operator, is not acceptable and will detrimentally impact UAS operators who are operating safely and doing nothing wrong.

 

[Chip]

We did not know it in 2017, but our DJI drones were broadcasting our email addresses and telemetry data 10 miles+. Watch this video. See it happen in real time starting at 2:05.

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[MS Coast]

Awesome, I'm glad your questions and answers only pertain to your limited personal experience. A couple of times I thought the way you asked it as if it were relevant to the topic we were discussing but you were just chiming in from personal experience; got it.

Find someone else to snipe at.
Over and out.

 

[Chip]

A DJI Technology Whitepaper
“What’s In a Name?” A Call for a Balanced Remote Identification Approach March 22, 2017

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[Chip]

White Paper: Anatomy of DJI’s Drone Identification Implementation November, 2017
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"Currently, two DJI products include Wi-Fi: the Mavic and the Spark. A cursory glance through archived firmware provided by the DJI Slack Reverse engineering group indicates that DJI implemented the Drone ID features on Mavic in mid-July, 2017."

The implementation was via a firmware update.

 

[Chip]

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/20_0817_ogc_interagency-legal-advisory-uas-detection-mitigation-technologies.pdf

This document explained every way in which drone tracking potentially violated existing federal laws from wiretapping to the 4th Amendment.

When you register your drone with Remote ID, you are waiving rights and consenting to be tracked. We could already be tracked in 2020, but we had not given our consent.

Consent was necessary and once you are in for a penny you are in for a pound.

 

[mavic3usa]

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https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/20_0817_ogc_interagency-legal-advisory-uas-detection-mitigation-technologies.pdf

This document explained every way in which drone tracking potentially violated existing federal laws from wiretapping to the 4th Amendment.

When you register your drone with Remote ID, you are waiving rights and consenting to be tracked. We could already be tracked in 2020, but we had not given our consent.

Consent was necessary and once you are in for a penny you are in for a pound.

People have conveniently forgotten the events that led up to RID. All they remember is a few complaints from people about burglars and the initial lame idea about using the internet (which the government used to throw us a bone to shut us up).

Most citizens don't have a deep understanding of the people's need for privacy concerns with their government and they conflate that with private companies like Google. Most citizen are unable to envision what it means to have comprehensive government tracking and record keeping and next level integration to include your drones. And the vast majority of the citizens don't believe the government will ever confiscate their property.

The result is bad things can and will happen and just because you don't notice a disaster in the making right away doesn't mean it doesn't exist or won't happen. Because some of us can see it plain as day; it's so evident it's laughable. When I am asked if I can provide an example where the government has confiscated anything or spied on me and my drone, the very fact that I get asked those questions proves that person has no idea how all this works. But I get it, some people trust their government completely to do the right thing, they depend on common sense principles and their privilege to ensure they get treated fairly, and they believe the government is open and honest and transparent.

Wonder if they still feel that way lately after having given up your privacy.

 

[PyroProdigy]

Basically most people do not want the government in their business. And if the government can use RID to see you and your drone you can bet your behind other people can with just a little bit of knowledge. A lot of people hate drones and the people who fly them for some reason.
And just because it's a law doesn't make it right. Every law that's passed it a right you lose so keep that in mind. If you let them take a little bit from you you've already lost everything, you just might not know it yet.

 

[PyroProdigy]

Did you arrive in a time machine from the eighties. lol thats about the time that privacy thing started to fade.
I think around 2020 they got you pretty much 24-7. Depending on what you do or when you leave your house there is a video record of it if you combine the thousands of camera videos that captured you. what you do online,what TV shows you watch,where you shop.....Its all recorded daily and in many cases sold by companies like Walmart to other retailers wishing to form a customer basis or research trends. The time you spent flying your Drone would be the only time "they" couldnt find you! lol

Exactly, every single person carries a little spy device in their pocket everywhere they go. It's called a cell phone.