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LOW flights by two military jets?

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We’ll see these guys introducing themselves on the forum soon:

“Hey Guys...retired (discharged) fighter pilot here! Just getting into drones now, because I miss flying. Hoping to learn a lot from you guys, as I’m shopping for the best Mavic with collision detection sensors. Hit me up if you’d like to get together and fly around the Loire Valley. Also looking for legal spots to fly around Marseille. Merci!”
 
We’ll see these guys introducing themselves on the forum soon:

“Hey Guys...retired (discharged) fighter pilot here! Just getting into drones now, because I miss flying. Hoping to learn a lot from you guys, as I’m shopping for the best Mavic with collision detection sensors. Hit me up if you’d like to get together and fly around the Loire Valley. Also looking for legal spots to fly around Marseille. Merci!”
Welcome to the forum.

As a retired fighter Pilot, a couple of things to remember, whatever drone you fly.

Drones dont have afterburners to get you out of trouble
Drones can be damaged by low and fast ground flyovers
There are no safety nets, so they can hit things

See my other post for some ideas on what not to do ?

Have a great time flying. It is good therapy for people like us
 
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You would guess he was in a hard left bank at the time.
Many years ago (1978) I was in the Royal Air Force in Germany, serving in a Bloodhound MK2 Guided Missile Squadron as Radar Shift Chief.

One (up until then) quiet Sunday afernoon, I was stood on the Radar Plinth (about 50 feet up in the air) which was located about a hundred or so yards from the beginning of the runway, taking a break, admiring the beautiful North German Countryside and thinking how an average boy from a farming town in Yorkshire, England ended up doing this fantastic and exciting work.

At the far end of the runway, maintenance crews had raised the emergency aircraft capture net for routine maintenance, something that always took place on a Sunday as it seemed the Ruskies (Soviet Russians) didn't tend to invade our airspace on Sundays, so we didn't send fighters up to escort them out. The purpose of this net was to stop jets whose brake shutes failed, from careering over the boundary, across a narrow wooded area and civilian road, and into the German village of Wildenwrath that bordered the airbase. These nets stood at a maximum of about12 to 15 feet high. Just enough to cover the tail of a jet, and stretched the full width of a runway also designed to land civilian passenger aircraft. It was very rarely deployed but its existence was a safety requirement.

Anyway, this Sunday turned out very differently. Whilst I was watching, one of our Phantom Jets returned from an Intercept. The pilot was leaving the base the next day to go on to his next posting in the UK. As a sort of "goodbye Wildenwrath, thanks for all the beer and Bratwurst", instead of landing, he decided to do an extremely fast, extremely low-level pass over the runway, then climb steeply, bank left, circle round, and land. Unfortunately for him,it didn't quite work out that way.

At first, I watched in pure admiration at his incredible flying skills as he shot down the runway at a height of what must have been less than 10 feet off the ground, then in gobsmacked horror, as he careered further down the runway, then slammed on the afterburners and pulled near verticle when he saw the raised barriers dead in front of him. No use.

At what must have been 500 Miles per hour, he slammed into the nets, completely ripping out the nets, arrest mechanism, and a good part of the runway. What happened next is burnt into my memory. With the nets and attachments trailing wildly behind him and burning furiously in the afterburner jets, he climbed on his tail to a couple of thousand feet, leveled out, and circled around anticlockwise, nets, machinery, etc still burning and dropping off. Then he did a slow, low-level, safety inspection pass over the same runway so that Air Traffic could assess the damage and check the successful deployment of his undercarriage. My Air Traffic mate who was on shift that day shot off a green emergency signal flare to signal to him that his landing gear was down and it was safe to land, which he did without any further incident. Again, a great testament to his flying skills, presence of mind, and also the tough build of the now long since retired Phantom aircraft design. However, the story is not over.

By the time his jet came to a stop at the (now former) crash netting end of the runway, a military police Land Rover with suitably uniformed policemen was waiting to pick him up. He was taken directly to the station commander's residence and given a choice. Fly home the next day as a civilian, or under arrest and be taken to the British Military Prison at R.A.F Debden to await courts Martial. I always wondered what he did in "Civvy" life.

The runway was closed for only about a day, but with amazing efficiency, was up and running again within 24 hours. The aircraft that flew him into early retirement took off from it. What bittersweet memories he must have had as the aircraft took off and flew him over the now-replaced barriers!

As for me, I could have lived on free beer for weeks off my eye witness recount, but there was the unspoken rule of "don't talk". Fair enough. This is the first time I have written or even really spoken outside the family about it, but 43 years have gone by and the station was decommissioned 30 years ago so I reckon the security risks have all but gone.
 
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History repeating itself? Unfortunately the 1998 debacle killed 20 civilians.
Horrible incident, even worse than the recent episode of the wife of an American military official in the UK doing "a runner" back to the States after driving on the wrong side of the road and killing a young British motorcyclist.
And the press and authorities make claims about the threat to life and limb posed by drone flyers?
 
This French incident is weirdly reminiscent of one outside of Naples in the 60's. An F4 flew into the power lines and severed the wires feeding Naples. What was notable about it was the pilot. It was none other than Senator John McCain, then a Lt jg. His father was Chief of Naval Operations. So instead of being cashiered like the rest of us would have been he was sent to Viet Nam, where he was then very quickly shot down and entered history.

Flathatting, as it is called in the Navy when pilots show off, is immediate loss of your wings. It is considered incurable. My own squadron had one of the untouchables who liked to flathat. She ended up killing 23 folks in a mid-air with her boyfriend in his aircraft off Sardinia in the 80's.
 
Its perfectly possible they were flying in a normal low level training area and simply didnt see the HT lines in time.
Nothing to suggest showing off or anything of the sort in ths.
 
We’ll see these guys introducing themselves on the forum soon:

“Hey Guys...retired (discharged) fighter pilot here! Just getting into drones now, because I miss flying. Hoping to learn a lot from you guys, as I’m shopping for the best Mavic with collision detection sensors. Hit me up if you’d like to get together and fly around the Loire Valley. Also looking for legal spots to fly around Marseille. Merci!”
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This French incident is weirdly reminiscent of one outside of Naples in the 60's. An F4 flew into the power lines and severed the wires feeding Naples. What was notable about it was the pilot. It was none other than Senator John McCain, then a Lt jg. His father was Chief of Naval Operations. So instead of being cashiered like the rest of us would have been he was sent to Viet Nam, where he was then very quickly shot down and entered history.

Flathatting, as it is called in the Navy when pilots show off, is immediate loss of your wings. It is considered incurable. My own squadron had one of the untouchables who liked to flathat. She ended up killing 23 folks in a mid-air with her boyfriend in his aircraft off Sardinia in the 80's.
Wow! Are you insuating that offspring of the elite might get more favourable consideration than we "plebs"? Who'd a thought!
 
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Low level training routes are selected to avoid things like power lines. That way you could concentrate on the task at hand, flying. Most modern aircraft have TAWS, which alerts you to things like terrain and obstacles. Even my G1000 system in my personal aircraft does that. If they where older jets, we didn't have that tech. Thats why they selected the routes, so we didn't have those kind of challenges. New jets do have that tech. My obstacle database is updated on each Navigation Cycle in my updates, so it stays very current. When I flew at NOAA, if we had down time on the research projects, we flew chart check to add obstacles that went un-reported and delete obstacles that had been removed. There are very few excuses to run into stuff now. Our rules, which are similar to many other services around the world, are 500' unless your on a designated training route or in a training area. Lower than that, your showing off.

In the civil world, we must put a bubble around any single human of 500', lonesome Joe rule. Groups of humans 1,200'. You can go below 500' as long as it is safe to do so and not endanger yourself or others. This is open to interpretation and can lead to suspension of your license. I go low at times to get some of my photos, but in the middle of nowhere. In Africa, we flew low level a lot. Great scenery, few habitations and virtually no enforcement. I would however, usually check an area out high before I went low, charts sucked. Along with all this freedom went almost no chance of a rescue if you screwed up.

The Navy sent me to PG school for Aviation Safety, so I have an advanced degree in it. One of our main objectives is to observe our pilots & crews. There are trends you see in numbers that are recordable and there are personality traits that are undesirable. People evolve during their life, have issues along the way that change them. There is a balance between having enough aggression to do the job and a bit too much so it kills yourself and others. You don't necessarily want the "Maverick" character. They wreck equipment and kill folks trying to prove something. My primary aircraft cost $205,000,000 each, so we could quickly bankrupt the service if we wrecked or damaged them all the time. Not the kind of people we want flying them. Sat on a lot of Boards and lost 8 of my friends, it is a risky business, you mitigate the risks. The biggest category of attritment after the basic phase of flight school is "Headwork." The second is "No Apparent Fear of Death." Which is continuing down a decision path with will most likely result in your death. You have to laugh it off a bit, death, or you would never be able to get in the cockpit and come back and land on the carrier.
 
Low level training routes are selected to avoid things like power lines.
Where you are maybe.
In Europe they're not. It isnt big enough, nor is it realistic in training.
They're charted, they're briefed but they're present.

There are plenty of HT lines in low and ultra low training areas here.

Good luck finding any LTA in the UK that doesn't have HT lines (and now wind turbines sticking out of every hillside).

There's nothing to suggest the pilots here were in the wrong place or doing anything wrong other than maybe not seeing or being unaware of the HT lines.
 
Yes, I was in Europe, 3 years. Stationed in Italy. I must admit, never did low levels in Britain. You are correct about HT on the routes, but in the case they cannot be avoided they are very clearly marked. We would take the charts covering the routes and cut them into strips about 4" wide that just covered the route, then roll it up. If you where not an idiot, you made notations on the chart, like in yellow. Low levels where planned and briefed. Your RIO (if you had one) would also get quite insistent if there where hazards, they usually had a higher survival need then us. Again, new aircraft have TAWS, which is quite annoying when your low. I have a seaplane, which thinks I am crashing every time I land on a lake. You can inhibit the audio warning, but the terrain and obstacles still flashes red and yellow in front of you. Bad if your susceptible to epilepsy.

Looks like this, so where are the power lines, hmmmm

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In Oz there used to be designated low jet navigation routes, not just low flying areas. It was amazing how often the power supply companies found it necessary to erect new lines, or to string lines across valleys, without the notification filtering through. You didn't necessarily need to be doing anything wrong....
 
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