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Helicopters would probably be a better aircraft to try and surveil these things, given the maneuverability issue with drones.
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I wonder how many of those drones being heard are due to the military and or law enforcement having scrambled drone swarms tasked with finding out who the visitors are and what their mission might be.
Matter of fact it would be worrisome if there weren't any military or police drones aloft in New Jersey and other locations where this phenomenon is occurring because that would suggest that the aerial interlopers may have deployed a superior comms signal jammer that is proving effective.
I cannot help but wonder how a lowly Mavic 3 Pro would fare snooping around up in that aerial mix to track the bandits. Don't try this at home folks haha.
Matter of fact it would be worrisome if there weren't any military or police drones aloft in New Jersey and other locations where this phenomenon is occurring because that would suggest that the aerial interlopers may have deployed a superior comms signal jammer that is proving effective.
I cannot help but wonder how a lowly Mavic 3 Pro would fare snooping around up in that aerial mix to track the bandits. Don't try this at home folks haha.
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Maybe so. And the 150th Assault Helicopter Battalion has a fleet of UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters at Joint Base McGuire-Dix in Lakehurst, New Jersey ready to go. Ironically though, a Phantom drone accidentally crashed into a Black Hawk a few years ago and caused some damage. The incident was blown up by the FAA and the media and is still frequently cited as one of the few actual accidental drone/aircraft collisions in history. As an alternative, you would think it would be quick, easy and relatively cheap to set up mobile surveillance stations like these DEDRONE Mobile Units which are apparently used by the NFL.
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My memory was good on the 2017 Black Hawk incident but not perfect. It was actually "the first confirmed mid-air collision involving a U.S. drone." I was surprised that a combat chopper would be so vulnerable to a piece of plastic but it apparently hit in one of the worst places.
www.smithsonianmag.com
Army Blackhawk Collides With Drone Over NYC
The first confirmed mid-air collision involving a U.S. drone.
www.smithsonianmag.com
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Great News! We can relax now. Its over. NJ Governor Murphy met with Secretary Mayorkas (FAA was no show). Based on his meeting with Mayorkas, Murphy has assured everyone that there is no known threat to the public at this time. Whew, thank goodness. I guess everything the FAA has been telling us about the dangers of drones for the last 9+ years was a total lie. Or maybe...
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This unfolding chronicle of intrigue is riveting, and the rumor mill is churning out tall tales faster than they can be debunked. One account describes several mysterious levitating craft as having been spotted erupting from beneath the ocean waves just off the coast of New York, before taking flight into the night skies over suburbia. Another unverified story claims an unauthorized aerial vehicle was intercepted and shot down by military jets following which the craft was recovered in secrecy from a forest in Upstate New York.
Tom Clancy could not have written a more suspenseful plot involving shadowy power brokers, desperate tyrants, unlikely heroes, robot swarms dueling in the skies, and high-tech skulduggery playing out against the specter of World War 3 as a surreal backdrop.
In a wager on the most likely scenario to explain the Jersey Drones, I would bet the farm that every one of those mystery drones turns out to be the property of the US government. DOD scientists insisted on the testing of their cutting-edge airborne drone deterrent force in an urban environment where radio signal interference is at its worst, and the nightly exercise was notably suspended on Thanksgiving Day in a subtle message of assurance that Uncle Sam is in charge of the night birds that have thus far been meticulous in avoiding civilian air traffic.
In these uncertain times, the government would be wise to take some measures before announcing them to the public, so as not to tip its hand given the usual suspects lurking and listening on many fronts.
Tom Clancy could not have written a more suspenseful plot involving shadowy power brokers, desperate tyrants, unlikely heroes, robot swarms dueling in the skies, and high-tech skulduggery playing out against the specter of World War 3 as a surreal backdrop.
In a wager on the most likely scenario to explain the Jersey Drones, I would bet the farm that every one of those mystery drones turns out to be the property of the US government. DOD scientists insisted on the testing of their cutting-edge airborne drone deterrent force in an urban environment where radio signal interference is at its worst, and the nightly exercise was notably suspended on Thanksgiving Day in a subtle message of assurance that Uncle Sam is in charge of the night birds that have thus far been meticulous in avoiding civilian air traffic.
In these uncertain times, the government would be wise to take some measures before announcing them to the public, so as not to tip its hand given the usual suspects lurking and listening on many fronts.
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Perhaps a different point of view expressed here. I've been trying to listen to all sides to see what make sense and what doesn't. Here's an example:
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Agreed 100%. I have come up with a possible suspect: Goes by DARPA AKA XRQ-73.
Source: DARPA Unveils Hybrid Electric Stealth Drone Project. Publication date June 2024
DARPA Unveils Hybrid Electric Stealth Drone Project
DARPA has unveiled XRQ-73, a flying-wing drone project featuring hybrid electric propulsion that converts fuel to electricity
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Excerpt: The US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has unveiled a flying-wing drone project featuring hybrid electric propulsion that converts fuel to electricity. Being developed under the four-year-old Series Hybrid Electric Propulsion Aircraft Demonstration (SHEPARD) program, the XRQ-73’s maiden flight is expected by the end of this year. (emphasis added). It will be a “rapidly fieldable” Group 3 drone weighing around 1,250 pounds (567 kilograms). Group 3 drones fly at an altitude under 18,000 feet and between 100 and 250 knots (115 to 288 miles per hour).
This is how it all begins. Saving lives and helping people. As soon as that gets "boring" and becomes a total waste of expensive and capable used for drones babysitting irresponsible people and helping small children and other support roles, those advanced drones will be put to better more productive use and eventually will turned on the "enemy" which is the American people and in particular, fellow New Yorkers.
Bound to happen because there are little to no legal limitations placed on their usage and enforcement deployments; everything is being exempted and waived. A drone doesn't need reasonable suspicion, a drone doesn't need probable cause, a drone doesn't have much use for the 4th Amendment when it searches a building. Drones are the new [failed] dogs, all over again. Who knows, drones are probably already performing Terry stops on individuals walking along the streets; I would love to see the data for those tests, who and where this would happen, and what are the results. But of course, open records don't apply here, all drones data is investigative and on-going and exempt from public scrutiny and there is zero transparency. We're not allowed to know the true nature of drone usage and if you want to find out, you'll have to fight it in court.
Soon those drones will have automatic following capabilities, data collection 24/7 with extended-life hover capabilities, coordination with multiple drones which the city can't get enough of using taxpayers dollars, facial recognition, and even try to adopt the pre-crime AI algorithms that departments in other areas unsuccessfully implemented. As soon as there is a protest, drones will be deployed to document out-of-towners activities, catalog the faces of those redressing their government, marking people as agitators and distributing their details to neighboring departments, keeping and maintain lists of people of interest and uploading to drones for periodic and continuous surveilling, integration with watch lists and other systems from all over the world for instantaneous often erroneous usage, and deployed for checking and collecting license plates and other vital information all across the region in affected areas of the city occupied by marginalized citizens who are have the smallest voice in government....among others things; sky's the limit. Even London will be shocked at the lengths the NYC leadership will go to spy on and persecute honest, law-abiding citizens once it becomes known there is literally zero impact on crime and crime prevention and drones truly shine in more offensive and proactive policing of communities.
Here's an example of pieces of and evidence of a large plan. What's better than a camera mounted on every street corner? Drone's everywhere, looking after everything, loaded with high technology NYC is looking to become the drone capital of the world: Drones may soon monitor New York City buses
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I guess the public would have to be conditioned first to blindly accept large numbers of drones flying over their homes and communities with no regard to aircraft and airspace laws and regulations applicable to everyone else.
I can summarize the above four-paragraph rant in one word: paranoia.
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It just occurred to me that Fat Kim might be a DJI drone pilot in his spare time, in between appending his signature to the day's deportation and cleansing orders.
If for the sake of idle speculation Fat Kim is a drone meister then he might be a regular contributor to this forum, under a pseudonym of course. With that in mind, I must be sure and avoid saying anything that might ruffle regal feathers in this forum or other online venues where Fat Kim might be lurking.
Meanwhile, eyewitnesses persist in their claims that some of the mystery drones were spotted emerging from beneath the ocean before heading inland for the evening's agenda of public bafflement. This video clip includes footage of brightly lit drones rising into the night sky from the ocean surface purportedly near the scene of these mass sightings in New Jersey.
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0BG0cnFLfQ
If it turns out that aerial vehicles HAVE been filmed with clarity emerging from beneath the water and then transitioning smoothly to flight under intelligent control, all bets are off because, with the notable exception of submarine-launched missiles, there is currently NO known machine of human design that can travel underwater AND fly through the air while maneuvering and rotating with precision.
Naval aviator Captain David Fravor and a handful of colleagues broke cover in 2019 to describe formations of mysterious levitating tic-tac wingless aerial vehicles that flew circles around their F18 Hornets back in 2004 during naval exercises off the coast of San Diego. That testimony along with notably similar accounts credited to other naval aviators like Ryan Graves who routinely witnessed such mysterious craft while on aerial training exercises left NO doubt in my mind that our universe or deep oceans serve as bases for humanoid life forms that are THOUSANDS of years more technically advanced than us lowly humans, and whose vehicles defy all known laws of physics with impunity.
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Oh ok, I see. I'm not crazy enough to go outside at night and legally fly my drone around my quiet neighborhood with flashing lights half-way across the country but in NJ, there are pilots stupid enough to continue to get in their airplanes and fly at low levels at night scaring the people in the neighborhood, flying against a TFR and into restricted areas while everyone on the news is baffled after what these pilots are doing? These pilots know the FAA, local law enforcement, and the FBI is investigating about their flight but these pilots just go about their day and won't speak up and say "yes that was me flying circles around the neighborhood, at times I was just 300 feet above the houses, my special plane hovers often and a bunch of us have been doing it all night long for weeks now.....here's my flight plan, my details, this is the plane you saw" but no they just go about their day as if nothing is happening and basically saying if the FAA and the military and congressmen and the mayor and the governor and Homeland are confused, not my problem. Where are the pilots of some of these airplanes in question? Can not some of the passengers speak up and say last night I was in the backseat of an airplane flying at treetop level.....?
That's ridiculous.
If we see a manned pilot in one of those videos (not all of them; some of them are aircraft for sure) then let them step forward and say "Yes that was me, I was at a wedding, it ran late and I came back home around midnight and while flying home, I saw two dozen other fools lighting up the area doing the same thing as me; scaring the public. None of us were out here earlier this summer but things have changed recently and we are busy now." Why the FAA won't come out with it and say hey this is normal air traffic, we track every aircraft and we know who they are and if we have a TFR in place that includes aircraft, we don't just look the other way when they fly without authorization. Instead the FAA says "We don't know nothing...."
These are not ghost flights; there has to be a record somewhere. And if there isn't....that's a problem.
That's ridiculous.
If we see a manned pilot in one of those videos (not all of them; some of them are aircraft for sure) then let them step forward and say "Yes that was me, I was at a wedding, it ran late and I came back home around midnight and while flying home, I saw two dozen other fools lighting up the area doing the same thing as me; scaring the public. None of us were out here earlier this summer but things have changed recently and we are busy now." Why the FAA won't come out with it and say hey this is normal air traffic, we track every aircraft and we know who they are and if we have a TFR in place that includes aircraft, we don't just look the other way when they fly without authorization. Instead the FAA says "We don't know nothing...."
These are not ghost flights; there has to be a record somewhere. And if there isn't....that's a problem.
Now seriously, has anyone thought of flying their own drone close to these objects to see them in more detail? Why just observe them from the ground while you can get closer to them in the air.
Some have tried but I wouldn't blame the public for not wanted to get involved if the government is not interested. From what I understand there is a TFR and if you take your personal drone up there during a TFR, that's a no-no and for sure, they will come get you before the day is over. Your drone will be blocked so you won't have any successful; this is by design.
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There have been numerous reports of temporarily grounded and unresponsive drones when hobbyists attempted to launch unauthorized DIY recon missions where they hoped to sidle up alongside the mystery big birds for a mile-high selfie or two.
Civilian drones reportedly find themselves grounded by potent RFI emissions served up during the nightly aerial processions of big and small flying machines. Interestingly local sheriff's department drones had no trouble lifting off to take a closer look at the bogeys, so they may or may not have revealing footage to share with the public in the fullness of time, or when the cows come home, whichever comes last.
Hollywood screenwriters will be riveted to this unfolding story. Regardless of how this intriguing mystery unfolds, The Jersey Drones are made for box office gold in the short term but then will also be debated by historians for decades to come. There exists no peacetime precedent to what is occurring right now in multiple locations worldwide, which is in a sense what makes the aerial invasion all the more unsettling.
This surreal phenomenon occurring globally and simultaneously too, as the year 2024 makes way for 2025, has the makings of becoming a MAJOR destiny-defining milestone along the path of our evolution as the human species, beyond which the drifting line of demarcation between science-fiction and mass-witnessed fact will be redrawn forever.
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When ATC starts getting flooded by calls from puzzled airline pilots all describing erratically moving lights oscillating between an estimated 20 to 50 thousand feet AGL, and whipping around in tight circles, the likelihood diminishes that this developing situation could be due to weapon platform tests by ANY military, whether friendly or adversarial.
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