No More GEO Fence lockout.

[Vic Moss]

No. Only DJI Fly and DJI Pilot.
To remove geofencing on Mavic 2/Go4 you need a third-party solution like drone-hacks.com

Not necessarily. They just rolled out the most popular apps first. It is supposed to be updated on the Go Apps too.

 

[waynorth]

Not necessarily. They just rolled out the most popular apps first. It is supposed to be updated on the Go Apps too.

OK, I hope so. thanks.

 

[offtheback]

No. Only DJI Fly and DJI Pilot.
To remove geofencing on Mavic 2/Go4 you need a third-party solution like drone-hacks.com

Yes, it will roll out for those too. Some are saying they upgraded and it's working.

Thanks Vic.Always cautious about upgrading

 

[mavic3usa]

Unfortunately this sounds like it's going to blow up in our faces. Most of us in the forum know how this works and how it really functions but seems like the rest of the world and the public do not and care not. And it's going to be exploited majorly as long as we continue to have articles like this:

DJI will no longer stop drones from flying over airports, wildfires, and the White House

DJI claims the decision “aligns” with the FAA’s rules.

www.theverge.com

 

[paulhackerllc]

This is both a good thing and a bad thing. Let's hope people still educate themselves about where they can safely fly. But at least those of use that do know, and already have permission, won't have to get unlocks anymore.

DJI Updates GEO System in U.S. Consumer & Enterprise Drones

DJI updates its geofencing system in the U.S. to align with FAA regulations, enhancing drone operator control and safety. Learn about the latest changes and their impact.

viewpoints.dji.com

Hi Vic, this might be related to the DJI Geo Fence topic. Prior to launching my mini 4 pro and subsequently a few months later my Mavic 3 Pro, I requested LAANC approval and got a pre-check failed indicator as shown in the pictures. Checked air space and swore I was in class G airspace. So, I put the drones in the air and everything seemed to be fine, until I got out about 300 yards and 100 feet high. At that time, I got a Restricted Air Space indicator on my controller. Made note of the contact person at our local army base JBLM and brought the drones back, loaded up and went home.



Sent the JBLM contact an email and he said that my LAANC provider was wrong (shown below) and I was in Class E airspace starting at 700’agl and didn’t need his approval. I contacted DJI and requested a geofence unlock for one year (was approved for both drones), thinking maybe that was it.



I thought I had everything handled until I got the same Restricted Air Space indicator on my controller today. The M3P felt like it hit a wall, would not accelerate past 3mph until I back-tracked 20’ or so. I hope my explanation makes any sense. Any suggestions?





On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:32 AM Bright, Robert D CIV USARMY ID-READINESS (USA) <[email protected]> wrote:

Mr. Hacker,



Your LAANC service provider is incorrect. You’re not in R6703 or Gray Army Airfield Class D airspace.



You are under Olympia Airport Class E airspace but that doesn’t begin until 700 feet AGL.



No need to contact me. Have a safe flight.



Bob Bright



Robert D. Bright

Air Traffic and Airspace Officer

Directorate of Plans, Training, Aviation, Mobilization, and Security

(DPTAMS) Joint Base Lewis-McChord and Yakima Training Center, WA

Office: (253) 967-5594

Mobile: (253) 312-5275

 

[photoshop67]

I live 300 ft from edge of authorization zone. I’ve done probably 100 authorizations. No big deal. I like the concept. Probably makes flying safer.

 

[DARKSeifer]

This is both a good thing and a bad thing. Let's hope people still educate themselves about where they can safely fly. But at least those of use that do know, and already have permission, won't have to get unlocks anymore.

DJI Updates GEO System in U.S. Consumer & Enterprise Drones

DJI updates its geofencing system in the U.S. to align with FAA regulations, enhancing drone operator control and safety. Learn about the latest changes and their impact.

viewpoints.dji.com

It's mostly bad.

Geofencing didn't prevent bad actors from doing their thing, as there were workarounds like hacking the drone, DIY drones, other commercial drones without geofencing, etc.

What geofencing prevented is the mass of brain-dead idiots from going to the nearest store, pick a drone and go straight to the airport for likes.

OFC it won't be the apocalypse, but it enables all the potential idiots to do their thing.

 

[Vic Moss]

It's mostly bad.

Geofencing didn't prevent bad actors from doing their thing, as there were workarounds like hacking the drone, DIY drones, other commercial drones without geofencing, etc.

What geofencing prevented is the mass of brain-dead idiots from going to the nearest store, pick a drone and go straight to the airport for likes.

OFC it won't be the apocalypse, but it enables all the potential idiots to do their thing.

This was also the prevalent fear in Europe when DJI did this last year. They saw no measurable upticks in drone incursions after this went into effect in the E.U. I don't expect much here. Or at least I hope we don't see it.

I did let my contact at KDEN know about this though. Just in case. He passed it along to TSA who monitors their Aerial Armor system.

 

[Vic Moss]

Hi Vic, this might be related to the DJI Geo Fence topic. Prior to launching my mini 4 pro and subsequently a few months later my Mavic 3 Pro, I requested LAANC approval and got a pre-check failed indicator as shown in the pictures. Checked air space and swore I was in class G airspace. So, I put the drones in the air and everything seemed to be fine, until I got out about 300 yards and 100 feet high. At that time, I got a Restricted Air Space indicator on my controller. Made note of the contact person at our local army base JBLM and brought the drones back, loaded up and went home.



Sent the JBLM contact an email and he said that my LAANC provider was wrong (shown below) and I was in Class E airspace starting at 700’agl and didn’t need his approval. I contacted DJI and requested a geofence unlock for one year (was approved for both drones), thinking maybe that was it.



I thought I had everything handled until I got the same Restricted Air Space indicator on my controller today. The M3P felt like it hit a wall, would not accelerate past 3mph until I back-tracked 20’ or so. I hope my explanation makes any sense. Any suggestions?





On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 8:32 AM Bright, Robert D CIV USARMY ID-READINESS (USA) <[email protected]> wrote:

Mr. Hacker,



Your LAANC service provider is incorrect. You’re not in R6703 or Gray Army Airfield Class D airspace.



You are under Olympia Airport Class E airspace but that doesn’t begin until 700 feet AGL.



No need to contact me. Have a safe flight.



Bob Bright



Robert D. Bright

Air Traffic and Airspace Officer

Directorate of Plans, Training, Aviation, Mobilization, and Security

(DPTAMS) Joint Base Lewis-McChord and Yakima Training Center, WA

Office: (253) 967-5594

Mobile: (253) 312-5275

As mentioned, you don't need (& can't even get) permission in G Airspace. If you ran into a GEO block it sounds like it was DOD airspace. DOD airspace still may be blocked, and things like the DCFRZ is also still blocked.

 

[gogorokokoko]

Interesting timing for DJI to make this update.

its like DJI is asking for a ban

 

[Vic Moss]

its like DJI is asking for a ban

Not at all.

Some in DC were actually using it as a reason to ban DJI. They were saying DJI could use GEO Fencing to shut down our drones. SO it was actually being used against them.

DJI was planning on doing this in the U.S. last year. Just like they did in the E.U. But they held off due to the issues in D.C. So they just decided to go ahead and remove this to make their customers happy. With the RID requirements and Counter UAS identification technology getting better, they also felt GEO Fence was no longer needed.

So since they knew DC would use GEO Fence against them either way, they decided to just make their customers happy and modify the system for their U.S. customers.

 

[Droning on and on...]

What geofencing prevented is the mass of brain-dead idiots from going to the nearest store, pick a drone and go straight to the airport for likes.

An elusive class that actual experience seems to indicate doesn't exist anywhere but Universe Paranoid.

 

[Erk1024]

What's the net effect when you're flying. Before you couldn't go into Blue or Red zones. Is that obvious when you hit those zones now? Or does it look exactly like the old warnings?

I got a partial answer. I've never been able to fly down to the end of my street before because it crossed over from an orange "enhanced warning zone" to a blue "authorization zone". Now when I go to take off, it seems like I'm *already* in a blue zone (at least the text was blue) and I'm able to fly.

 

[TonyPHX]

Stay safe, stay smart, always know your airspace. Responsibility and accountability do not change with this change.

 

[Wreckhunter]

I understand your point. Although I have always argued that it is the pilot's responsibility to know and take measures where they fly not everyone did and DJI's unlock method held you to that. I never liked having to get a waiver and then do the unlock thing but did know in the back of my mind it was a good thing especially for beginners

Just got done sending in my authorization form with the FAA for flying in an enhanced warning zone area, for the upcoming spring and summer months.Oh what fun filling out it was.

 

[Erpator]

So, now DJI turned NFZ into the warning zones for the US and EU.
This is good news for responsible pilots because nobody can't land you with gps spoofers, as i think.
But what about other countries?

 

[GadgetGuy]

I just updated my Avata 1 and it still does not want to let me fly. I am in a Class D area which is understandable but I'm still not entirely sure what the parameters of this change are. Perhaps it's just Restricted Zones that have changed.

The only thing you need to update is just the FlySafe database in the Fly app. Have you done that yet? If not, that's where the keys to the kingdom are.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Can anyone confirm that updating the FlySafe database also removes the 500m altitude ceiling max above the Home Point, so we can finally mountain climb from the base of a mountain to the peak, which is higher than 500m, while still staying under 400 feet AGL, as you climb?

It should, as it's also one of the current GEO layers which hides everything behind its gray color, unless you turn off all Altitude zones.

 

[meierjn]

I wonder if the geofencing will be removed in Canada too eh? I'll check for an update this evening but unfortunately no flying in the near future due to weather.

 

[CadrePilot]

For the law-abiding pilot, this is a very good thing. First, it maintains 100% full control of the aircraft when an unintentional incursion into a restricted zone, which really was a violation of the rules by DJI. Hard to hold the pilot responsible if something adverse occurs and the pilot was helpless to control the drone and avoid the problem.

Yup. I live in Class G airspace not far from an uncontrolled airport. I had many issues flying until I got the unlock sorted. I've also had other, unnecessary, challenges due to DJI's zones not matching reality.