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The Ravens/Steelers game that got halted this past weekend because a drone was within the NFZ got me thinking. Not “how?” but more “what happens?”. Then, DJI announced that they were removing geofencing as of 1/13/25. So now, I’m really curious.

My drone is FAA registered, and I am 107 certified. I understand the rules and I comply with them – with or without DJI geofencing. This isn’t about wanting to break the rules. This question is about enforcement.

But instead of me, let’s use a hypothetical drone pilot. Let’s say it’s a new DJI Air 3S. Let’s say it’s not FAA registered. Let’s say that this consumer is not 107 certified nor have they gone through TRUST. Just some guy that bought his first drone on Amazon. Because it’s a new drone, it does have Remote ID.
  • Scenario 1. Mr. Newdrone lifts off near a restricted airfield. Not JFK Airport, but the airfield is big enough that prior to 1/13/25, geofencing would have prohibited takeoff. But after 1/13/25, his drone will take off. Mr. Newdrone ignores the warning messages and joyrides around the sky taking pictures of the runways.

  • Scenario 2. Mr. Newdrone flies to Orlando. He stays outside Disney property. But he launches his drone and joyrides over hotels on Disney property. Again, he ignores the warning messages. [Author’s note – I realize restricted airspace is restricted airspace. But I am purposely setting this scenario over private property.]

  • Scenario 3. Mr. Newdrone flies to Kansas City to watch the playoff game. But he doesn’t have tickets. So, he decides to launch his drone and fly around outside the stadium. Once again, the officials halt the game. [Author’s note – this one is about temporary restricted space.]

  • Scenario 4. Mr. Newdrone is really racking up the frequent flier miles! After KC, he flies to Nevada. He heads out toward Groom Lake and launches his drone to see if he can spot any alien artifacts at Area 51. [Author’s note – this one is about a restricted government facility.]

In each of these cases, what realistically happens? I know what the rules are – and Mr. Newdrone has wildly violated the rules in every scenario. But in reality, what happens? His drone is broadcasting Remote ID. So, the drone *could* be tracked and he *could* be hunted down. But would he be?

While restricted airspace is restricted airspace, I’m guessing that in reality, the level of enforcement is based (to some degree) on the magnitude/importance of the transgression. For example, something tells me that the reaction to his Area 51 flight would be different than flying over a Disney hotel.

I learned a lot about rules and what the FAA *can* do when going through the 107 exam prep. These scenarios/questions aren’t about that. These are about what realistically *does* or *will* happen.

I’m asking not because I plan to do any of this. But with geofencing now removed by DJI, I’d really like to start understanding how the FAA will police this. Because a lot of people will just ignore warning messages.
 
As that great philosopher Ron White so famously opined, "You can't fix stupid".

But a cop recently wrote in an editorial (I wish I could find it), "You can't fix stupid, but you can define it legally and punish someone for it."

Yes, the FAA needs to up their enforcement game. Even some inside the FAA beat that drum.
 
State and local officials will continue to push for local control and enforcement over drones thru state statues and city ordinances in the name of public safety.
 
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But with geofencing now removed by DJI, I’d really like to start understanding how the FAA will police this. Because a lot of people will just ignore warning messages.
DJI shouldn't be placed in a position where they have to act as enforcers for the FAA. Their focus is on building exceptional drones, and adding enforcement responsibilities only complicates that process.

Imagine if your car prevented you from driving certain places, instead of relying on you to follow the rules. That's likely what DJI was trying to avoid.
 
DJI shouldn't be placed in a position where they have to act as enforcers for the FAA. Their focus is on building exceptional drones, and adding enforcement responsibilities only complicates that process.

Imagine if your car prevented you from driving certain places, instead of relying on you to follow the rules. That's likely what DJI was trying to avoid.
It's payback for the U.S. Government doing there best to ban them is my take on it. Plus, what if you live near an airport and fly under 100 feet to take a picture of your homes roof for an inspection. Now you can. The FAA does this because there are many drone pilots that have poor flying skills so the FAA want's to play it safe. Birds are more of a risk than drones as I never heard of a drone taking down an airplane. Just like the average speed for a car is 65mph when the speed limit is 55mph people make there own rules and the police don't seem to care unless you are going over 70mph.
 
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Scenario 1. Mr. Newdrone lifts off near a restricted airfield. Not JFK Airport, but the airfield is big enough that prior to 1/13/25, geofencing would have prohibited takeoff. But after 1/13/25, his drone will take off. Mr. Newdrone ignores the warning messages and joyrides around the sky taking pictures of the runways.
Our HERO would of course be reported by a witness watching them and would be asked to land by the local police, Their information would be gathered and turned over to the FAA for further investigation. The local police maybe may seize our pilots controller ( they wont take the Drone). If its the pilots first time dealing with the FAA they will receive a letter in the mail from the FAA saying that they are now the subject of a legal investigation and will give contact info that you must comply with within a certain time frame. As a first time violator if no damage occurred they will end up getting a very nasty worded letter from the FAA basically saying: You have now been warned TWICE (once when you took the trust and now) about flying a drone and the regulations you must follow! Our hero has used up his "strike" with the FAA and any further violations will involve VERY steep fines.
  • Scenario 2. Mr. Newdrone flies to Orlando. He stays outside Disney property. But he launches his drone and joyrides over hotels on Disney property. Again, he ignores the warning messages. [Author’s note – I realize restricted airspace is restricted airspace. But I am purposely setting this scenario over private property.]
Same as above with quite a few more legal problems The Airspace over Disney Property is a NFZ for everyone and you will probably end up doing some sort of jail time if you fly close enough to a Disney Park!
If done intentionally the pilot Will face prison time!
Disney helps and prosecutes ALL Drone incidents around their property! and the parks have the Aerial Archer system! Meaning they will catch you!
  • Scenario 3. Mr. Newdrone flies to Kansas City to watch the playoff game. But he doesn’t have tickets. So, he decides to launch his drone and fly around outside the stadium. Once again, the officials halt the game. [Author’s note – this one is about temporary restricted space.]
They will make an example out of him. Better get a really good lawyer! even if its their first violation.
Scenario 4. Mr. Newdrone is really racking up the frequent flier miles! After KC, he flies to Nevada. He heads out toward Groom Lake and launches his drone to see if he can spot any alien artifacts at Area 51. [Author’s note – this one is about a restricted government facility.]
At least now we will know where to contact our hero for the foreseeable future.......A Federal Prison!!
something tells me that the reaction to his Area 51 flight would be different than flying over a Disney hotel.
NOPE believe it or not, Its exactly the same thing! both have the very same airspace restrictions for aircraft! Just like area 51 NO aircraft may fly in Disney airspace without impossible to get permission. The only thing Disney lets fly are there own stuff and emergency aircraft.

 
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It's payback for the U.S. Government doing there best to ban them is my take on it. Plus, what if you live near an airport and fly under 100 feet to take a picture of your homes roof for an inspection. Now you can. The FAA does this because there are many drone pilots that have poor flying skills so the FAA want's to play it safe. Birds are more of a risk than drones as I never heard of a drone taking down an airplane. Just like the average speed for a car is 65mph when the speed limit is 55mph people make there own rules and the police don't seem to care unless you are going over 70mph.
Have you not heard about the mini that collided with the Scooper plane fighting fires in CA. Put it out of business. It could have been a smaller or other type of aircraft and possible caused a crash.
 
Plus, what if you live near an airport and fly under 100 feet to take a picture of your homes roof for an inspection. Now you can.
They likely owe the US government at least a few paybacks by now, but they're probably doing this to account for scenarios like the one you mentioned. I imagine their previous enforcement efforts placed a significant and unnecessary burden on DJI's support team.
 
It's payback for the U.S. Government doing there best to ban them is my take on it. Plus, what if you live near an airport and fly under 100 feet to take a picture of your homes roof for an inspection. Now you can. The FAA does this because there are many drone pilots that have poor flying skills so the FAA want's to play it safe. Birds are more of a risk than drones as I never heard of a drone taking down an airplane. Just like the average speed for a car is 65mph when the speed limit is 55mph people make there own rules and the police don't seem to care unless you are going over 70mph.
I never thought a small drone like a Mini could do major damage to an airplane but it just did last week. A fire fighting bomber was hit on the leading of the wing and punched a hole right through and I'm guessing that's how they recovered the Mini. It didn't down the aircraft but it was a big enough hole that it had to be sidelined.
 
I never thought a small drone like a Mini could do major damage to an airplane but it just did last week. A fire fighting bomber was hit on the leading of the wing and punched a hole right through and I'm guessing that's how they recovered the Mini. It didn't down the aircraft but it was a big enough hole that it had to be sidelined.
Semantics but the plane his the drone, not the drone hit the plane.
 
I never thought a small drone like a Mini could do major damage to an airplane but it just did last week. A fire fighting bomber was hit on the leading of the wing and punched a hole right through and I'm guessing that's how they recovered the Mini. It didn't down the aircraft but it was a big enough hole that it had to be sidelined.
I would call it minor damage; not major damage. I don't have the facts but it sounds like the pilots didn't even realize until they landed. Let's call it minor damage and the plane went back into service in record time. Safety first so no need to take chances but it's likely that plane was repaired and turn around back into service very quickly.

[my opinion follows]

Never mind; still too early.
 
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I am looking for an Itemized list of gift bag Swag from the various award ceremonies Just in case Affleck got a mini at the Grammy's or something.
I think they are looking for parts of it around his neighborhood.
Seriously Tho I don't think he was there at the time the incident occurred
 
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Yeah, you got me. It proves the drone hit the plane while going in reverse.
Who cares? This drone, or any other drone, shouldn't have been in the air. Doesn't matter if the plane hit the drone or the drone hit the plane. It was the drone pilots fault. No matter if the drone was hovering, flying forward, of flying backwards, or even flying sideways up or down it was an illegal flight. Going back and forth on this point is ridiculous.
 
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