remote id?

[PropSpin]

All testing is done under best case scenario.

Well, sure, point being from what I saw in my brief searching is that BT 5 only gets you to around .25km, so the chances of BT3 reaching anywhere near 1km in the real world are effectively nil. Where did you get that info?

 

[Vic Moss]

It’s all moot now.

RDQ ruling just came out. RID is now going forward as written.

 

[Bob in Savannah]

Personally, I think you can do whatever the (blank) you want to here in America. God Bless THAT. But only if you have a brain. Want to fly out 4 miles across the coastline above the ocean? Go for it! But if you want to do this in a metropolis somewhere and jeopardize OTHERS then you're just ASKING for trouble. I never fly any further than a couple miles out at less and than 300ft or so and ONLY over my backyard marsh on the coast here in Savannah, GA. If anything happens, its MY MONEY I lost and the drone just took a drink. I didn't compromise ANYONE'S security or well being and NEVER would I. These rules are to protect those that have NO CLUE a maniac is flying something above them that could kill them.

 

[PropSpin]

It’s all moot now.

RDQ ruling just came out. RID is now going forward as written.

What part is moot? Have enough of the specifications been determined that dictate BT or WIFI? Any idea if existing DJI drones can comply with just a firmware update?

 

[Bob in Savannah]

What part is moot? Have enough of the specifications been determined that dictate BT or WIFI? Any idea if existing DJI drones can comply with just a firmware update?

They (drone manufacturers) have 8 months to figure it out. Dec 2023 looks like the probably date this would go into effect...

 

[PacificSkyDreamn]

They (drone manufacturers) have 8 months to figure it out. Dec 2023 looks like the probably date this would go into effect...

Where are you getting "8 months" from? The FAA website for the drone industry still says - "Drone manufacturers have until September 16, 2022 to comply with the final rule, which gives manufacturers sufficient time to produce drones with built-in standard remote ID."

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/remote_id/industry

 

[lookout]

14 CFR subchapter F part 89 subpart D and E describes the information desired for compliance accepted by FAA in a document of compliance.

§ 89.315 Minimum message elements broadcast by remote identification broadcast modules.​

Remote identification broadcast modules must be capable of broadcasting the following remote identification message elements:

(a) The identity of the unmanned aircraft, consisting of the serial number assigned to the remote identification broadcast module by the person responsible for the production of the remote identification broadcast module.
(b) An indication of the latitude and longitude of the unmanned aircraft.
(c) An indication of the geometric altitude of the unmanned aircraft.
(d) An indication of the velocity of the unmanned aircraft.
(e) An indication of the latitude and longitude of the take-off location of the unmanned aircraft.
(f) An indication of the geometric altitude of the take-off location of the unmanned aircraft.
(g) A time mark identifying the Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) time of applicability of a position source output.

Means of Compliance​

A person designing or producing a Standard Remote ID drone or broadcast module for operation in US airspace must show that they have met the requirements of the remote ID rule by following an FAA-accepted means of compliance. A means of compliance describes the methods by which the person complies with the performance-based requirements for remote ID.

It's important to note that producers do not need to develop and submit their own means of compliance for FAA acceptance. They can use any means of compliance accepted by the FAA, including one developed by a third party.

How to Submit a Means of Compliance​

A means of compliance describes how a manufacturer may comply with the performance requirements for a Standard Remote ID Drone or a remote ID broadcast module. Anyone may submit a means of compliance for FAA evaluation and possible acceptance. In particular, the FAA encourages consensus standards bodies to develop means of compliance and submit them for acceptance because these bodies generally incorporate openness, balance, due process, appeals process, and peer review.

However, FAA-accepted consensus standards are just one way, but not the only way, to show compliance with the performance requirements of this rule. The FAA emphasizes that although a means of compliance developed by a consensus standards body may be available, any individual or organization can submit its own means of compliance for consideration and potential acceptance.

LEOs might need 15 different readers and carry them around in the already cram packed patrol vehicle just in order to identify a drone.

DJI's implementation might be different than Autels. So basically, DJI could just submit their implementation and have it approved to make FAA happy. They might have to make a few changes to their implementation, but practically the hardware is already there.

 

[PacificSkyDreamn]

14 CFR subchapter F part 89 subpart D and E describes the information desired for compliance accepted by FAA in a document of compliance.

§ 89.315 Minimum message elements broadcast by remote identification broadcast modules.​

Remote identification broadcast modules must be capable of broadcasting the following remote identification message elements:

(a) The identity of the unmanned aircraft, consisting of the serial number assigned to the remote identification broadcast module by the person responsible for the production of the remote identification broadcast module.
(b) An indication of the latitude and longitude of the unmanned aircraft.
(c) An indication of the geometric altitude of the unmanned aircraft.
(d) An indication of the velocity of the unmanned aircraft.
(e) An indication of the latitude and longitude of the take-off location of the unmanned aircraft.
(f) An indication of the geometric altitude of the take-off location of the unmanned aircraft.
(g) A time mark identifying the Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) time of applicability of a position source output.

Means of Compliance​

A person designing or producing a Standard Remote ID drone or broadcast module for operation in US airspace must show that they have met the requirements of the remote ID rule by following an FAA-accepted means of compliance. A means of compliance describes the methods by which the person complies with the performance-based requirements for remote ID.

It's important to note that producers do not need to develop and submit their own means of compliance for FAA acceptance. They can use any means of compliance accepted by the FAA, including one developed by a third party.

How to Submit a Means of Compliance​

A means of compliance describes how a manufacturer may comply with the performance requirements for a Standard Remote ID Drone or a remote ID broadcast module. Anyone may submit a means of compliance for FAA evaluation and possible acceptance. In particular, the FAA encourages consensus standards bodies to develop means of compliance and submit them for acceptance because these bodies generally incorporate openness, balance, due process, appeals process, and peer review.

However, FAA-accepted consensus standards are just one way, but not the only way, to show compliance with the performance requirements of this rule. The FAA emphasizes that although a means of compliance developed by a consensus standards body may be available, any individual or organization can submit its own means of compliance for consideration and potential acceptance.

LEOs might need 15 different readers and carry them around in the already cram packed patrol vehicle just in order to identify a drone.

DJI's implementation might be different than Autels. So basically, DJI could just submit their implementation and have it approved to make FAA happy. They might have to make a few changes to their implementation, but practically the hardware is already there.

In Section 14 CFR 89.310(g)1. "The unmanned aircraft must be capable of broadcasting the message elements in § 89.305 using a non-proprietary broadcast specification and using radio frequency spectrum compatible with personal wireless devices in accordance with 47 CFR part 15, where operations may occur without an FCC individual license."

So it does seem that DJI could comply and it would be up to someone else to figure out how to read the data being broadcast. Also the frequency spectrum used by personal wireless devices is really broad, not sure how this will work if every drone is broadcasting all over it - similar to trunked radio systems used by 1st responders that "grab" an open bit of the spectrum to send a message, and that changes with each keying of the mic, which make scanning their talk-channels difficult.