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today i received an Email from the CAA ,they are conducting a survey about extending the transitional period for drones such as the MPP M2 pro A2S etc that is due to end this year
so let our voices be heard ,and hopefully if enough of us here in the UK respond ,then they will extend the time we have to fly our older mavics in the open category
 
today i received an Email from the CAA ,they are conducting a survey about extending the transitional period for drones such as the MPP M2 pro A2S etc that is due to end this year
so let our voices be heard ,and hopefully if enough of us here in the UK respond ,then they will extend the time we have to fly our older mavics in the open category
I wonder if all drone pilots in the UK will receive this???
 
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if you download the sky Wise App on you device, you will automatically receive updates about any aviation info from the CAA ,you can choose which areas of civil aviation you wish to hear about in the App you can also go online and get similar info from the CAA website
 
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Who would ever say no though, people who hate the propellor sound of the old legacy drones? I can't really think of anybody
 
Who would ever say no though, people who hate the propellor sound of the old legacy drones? I can't really think of anybody

That would depend on what other options and conditions might be on the table, I guess. For instance, if the extension ruled out any possibility of the Mavic3 getting a C-mark retrospectively, then I'd expect pretty much everyone who had already bought a Mavic3 to vote "No". (To be clear, it does NOT do this; it's just an example scenario, although you can make some free form comments if you want).

Personally, I'd prefer it if the CAA focussed more of their efforts on getting the C-mark ratification system in place (with or without any retrospective accreditations) and making sure's it's compatible with the EU's system so we can take our drones there any fly without having to jump through any hoops (and vice versa). Bonus points if it's accepted as an alternative for the US FAA and any other similar pilot certification systems as well. I appreciate that might not be simple and will rely on a specialist third party testing facilitlty, but they've clearly failed to do that by their own deadline (again) or they wouldn't be asking the question, so here we are, I guess.

Sure, I like the idea of being able to keep flying my M2P with fewer restrictions in place, but this just feels like the CAA is looking backwards rather than forwards, and with something that's clearly got huge future potential, that just seems like a suboptimal position to be in.

P.S.: Link to survey for those that don't get the notification. FWIW, I made a lot of the points above in my response, and suggested they just scrap the idea of Legacy and allow the older drones to age out on their own so the CAA can focus on other things. That would also remove any concerns over (or need for) retrospective markings on newer (and presumably safer) aircraft like the M3 and, let's be honest here; in another two years, it's not like many of the older aircraft will still be flying anyway, is it?
 
I think it’s in a way to try and damage DJI. If it was not they would work with the 99% market leader to get some systems in place.

Hell; require the app to be internet connected and send the location of the drone to a flight authorities to have the label for all I care (otherwise it will fly without the label).

That is better than not flying. However they don’t seem to be discussing something to that extent so I guess they would rather just sabotage DJI


Stores could also vote against it btw; they want to sell new stuff
 
today i received an Email from the CAA ,they are conducting a survey about extending the transitional period for drones such as the MPP M2 pro A2S etc that is due to end this year
so let our voices be heard ,and hopefully if enough of us here in the UK respond ,then they will extend the time we have to fly our older mavics in the open category
Thanks for the information. We need everyone to understand that drones are almost always used for good and not used to spy on people. The more support we get from the public, the less laws we will have. Of course some laws are required to keep the hobby safe.
 
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I think it’s in a way to try and damage DJI. If it was not they would work with the 99% market leader to get some systems in place.

Hell; require the app to be internet connected and send the location of the drone to a flight authorities to have the label for all I care (otherwise it will fly without the label).

That is better than not flying. However they don’t seem to be discussing something to that extent so I guess they would rather just sabotage DJI


Stores could also vote against it btw; they want to sell new stuff
But wouldn’t they just sanction DJI by not allowing them to trade in the UK? They could do it in the name of eco concerns or security concerns
 
I, perhaps like many agree with the CAA proposition in principle but I think that the legacy category should be extended for at least say, 5 years to allow for the the non-compliant drones to gradually disappear by natural attrition.

I also think is is unfair and unnecessary becasue don't believe there is a significant safety issue with 'non-CE marked drones'.

I have responded as such to the CAA survey.

The link to the survey:
 
today i received an Email from the CAA ,they are conducting a survey about extending the transitional period for drones such as the MPP M2 pro A2S etc that is due to end this year
so let our voices be heard ,and hopefully if enough of us here in the UK respond ,then they will extend the time we have to fly our older mavics in the open category
Had mine , done mine, cheers Len
 
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And how does that survey sounds like? "Do you want to continue to fly your expensive drone through 2023 or you prefer to use it as a paper weight or only while camping and fishing?"

This is like asking people if they would prefer to pay taxes or not.
 
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And how does that survey sounds like? "Do you want to continue to fly your expensive drone through 2023 or you prefer to use it as a paper weight or only while camping and fishing?"

This is like asking people if they would prefer to pay taxes or not.
fully agree!
 
I think it’s in a way to try and damage DJI. If it was not they would work with the 99% market leader to get some systems in place.
Nah. Hanlan's Razor clearly applies; never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. (Or incompetence).

From earlier discussions on this, I think the key problem is that, for whatever reason, the CAA decided that they would not simply copy the EU standard verbatim (yes, Brexit, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have just stuck with the same specs.) and do their own subtly different thing. That then meant they the UK would need to independently ratify each model of the drone and assign the UK-specific version of the C-Mark which, in turn, requires a rather specific type of testing facility. Big surprise; this turns out to be rather a niche thing and the companies that operate such testing facilities seem to have rebuffed the CAA because it wasn't worth their time and effort.

If that's correct, then that kind of leaves the CAA up the poverbial creek without a paddle. They are obliged by UK law to implement this, don't have the resources, skills, or equipment, to do it in-house, and the third party testing facilities in the UK (and maybe the EU as well since they seem to be in a similar position) are just not interested in doing the necessary testing upon which all this hangs. Or maybe they are prepared to do it, but their costs are prohibitive and there is a bun fight between vendors and governments about who pays for what - which, if anything, would favour the larger vendors like DJI who could more readily afford to pay than smaller vendors and startups in the UAV marketplace - including vendors of things like large crop-spraying drones and the like.

Ultimately, I think this is probably a quite well-intentioned effort by EU+UK politicians (it was done pre-Brexit) and civil servants to standardise and make things better, but they enacted it before it was fully baked and some rather important details were yet to be nailed down. That has left the CAA, EASA, and the vendors trying to pick up the pieces and find a compromise solution that will work within legislation that has already been put into place, but are ultimately at the mercy of third party testing facilities they have no control over.

At this point, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Legacy was extended indefinitely and drones with a C-Mark don't appear for several more years, if ever. I'm actually fine with that. It's not the C-Mark that benefits drone pilots; it's the standardisation of competencies and flying restrictions that enables pilots from one country to fly without having to check laws or acquire new permits across most of Western Europe. We don't need testing facilities or specific stickers on our drones for that, we just need governments to actually comply with the laws set by the EU (and grandfathered in post-Brexit by the UK) and adhere to the common set of regulations that *should* already be in force EU+UK-wide.
 
today i received an Email from the CAA ,they are conducting a survey about extending the transitional period for drones such as the MPP M2 pro A2S etc that is due to end this year
so let our voices be heard ,and hopefully if enough of us here in the UK respond ,then they will extend the time we have to fly our older mavics in the open category
Sent in my thoughts for what it's worth. 😁
 
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From earlier discussions on this, I think the key problem is that, for whatever reason, the CAA decided that they would not simply copy the EU standard verbatim (yes, Brexit, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have just stuck with the same specs.) and do their own subtly different thing.
You can thank your "Boris not-Yeltsin" for that.
UK could have very likely stayed as member of EASA. (saving UK aviation long penny)
While EASA originates from and is closely associated to EU, for example also EFTA countries are members with single certification enough market area.


They are obliged by UK law to implement this, don't have the resources, skills, or equipment, to do it in-house, and the third party testing facilities in the UK (and maybe the EU as well since they seem to be in a similar position)
Question is about actual certifying specifications not having been defined yet.
Late last year even details of remote ID protocol/its specification weren't finished.
That was supposed to become ready during winter.
But work was outsourced to some private company, who likely did typical government IT contract thing of milking hourly/daily charge for as long as possible...
 
Question is about actual certifying specifications not having been defined yet.
Late last year even details of remote ID protocol/its specification weren't finished.
That was supposed to become ready during winter.
But work was outsourced to some private company, who likely did typical government IT contract thing of milking hourly/daily charge for as long as possible...
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest, and also means that we're even further off implementation that I was assuming, although I guess not having a final spec. wouldn't preclude having discussions with the compliance checking facilities. A little variation on SI units isn't going to have too much impact on the number and type of tests that need to be done, so the two parts - specification and compliance - should at least be able to be dealt with in parallel.

I wonder which parts of the spec. they are bickering over, given that the C-mark has no bearing on what a pilot can do with an aircraft in terms of distances and other operational factors. The proposals that were in place last year seemed fairly reasonable to me, with a good alignment between the weight classes and typical models of drone from all the major players, etc. I wasn't aware that Remote ID was now in the mix, however, (it certainly wasn't discussed in the last CAA draft I read) if so then that would definitely explain the delay, especially if DJI, Autel, and the rest are not agreeing on the protocol to be used.

None of which is doing much to dispell my view that this idea is now pretty much dead in the water for the next few years at least, making Legacy and the transitional period even more of a distraction that needs to just go away.
 
Hi guys, I only stumbled across this today.
I’m registered with the CAA but I did not get an email about this? Got a survey email in January so I’m on their list. Wonder how many others didn’t get notified about it…
 

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