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Maybe I am bitter. I wanted to be a pilot, but I couldnt pass the arrogance and pretentious part of the test. :D

Yeah, or "People who actually know something about flying, and the rules that apply to drones." As opposed to "Genius Adventurers who fly drones by their own rules, because, what are the odds" or some such thing.

Yeah. That part of the test. :D
You FLY, we fly our toys, You really cant see the difference?
 
........ And to your dismay, the AMA safety code isn't a guideline for us. It is the law. Because congress defines hobbyist drones as doing certain things. Remember the line of the nationwide community based organization. Well, it turns out they are the only one. So if you don't fly by their code, you have to be part 107 certified. ..............

I believe that I have another organization:

Drone User Group Network Safety Code

This document sets out the safety guidelines for the Drone Users Group Network community. Our goal with this document is to provide guidelines that are easy to follow, and that prioritize safety, while allowing people to enjoy the full recreational, artistic, educational, and scientific benefits of drone technology. A “drone” is a type of model aircraft, typically but not always a multi-rotor model, and often carries a camera.

  1. General Guidelines
Never fly your drone in a careless or reckless manner.

Never interfere with, and always give way to, any manned aircraft.

Do not fly your drone near major wildfires or other emergencies where manned traffic (such as air ambulances and water-drop aircraft) may be responding to the situation, without first coordinating with officials.

Before each flight, make sure your drone is in good operating condition with all propellers tightened and undamaged.

  1. Novice pilots
For your first two hours of flight time with your first drone, only fly in open areas, well away from people, buildings, and cars, and keep the drone below 200 feet above-ground-level and within 500 horizontal feet of yourself. Focus on learning how to fly with the camera pointed towards you, which will make it seem like the drone’s flight controls are reversed. (Very small “toy” drones may be flown indoors and count towards the two hours of flight time.) Consulting with an experienced drone user as you learn to fly is recommended but not required.

  1. Distance offset
Do not fly your drone closer than five feet laterally from spectators. (Very small “toy” drones may be flown closer with the consent of the spectator(s).)

  1. Overflight of people
Do not fly a drone weighing more than 4 pounds directly over an unprotected person other than yourself. For drones that weigh 4 pounds or less, do not fly directly over unprotected people who have not expressly consented to the overflight. Overflight should only be conducted once you are experienced with, and confident in, the equipment you are using. The duration of any overflight of unprotected people should be minimized.

  1. Maximum Altitude
Keep your drone below 400 feet above-ground-level (AGL) or below 400 feet above the top of a structure that you are flying over. In locations with sparse manned air traffic, and when visibility is excellent, you may exceed 400 feet AGL with the assistance of a spotter who continually scans the airspace in all directions to report to you any approaching air traffic.

  1. Autonomous flight modes
Autonomous or self-piloting flight modes (such as follow-me, waypoint navigation, and GPS-guided orbital flight paths) should only be engaged if there is an override ability. When using such modes in a location where there may be manned air traffic, you or an assistant must always maintain the ability to engage the override and resume direct control of the drone. Failsafe modes such as automatic return-to-home are exempt from this guideline.

  1. Outdoor First Person View operations
When flying outdoors, you must keep your drone within the distance limitation of your visual line of sight. Long-range FPV is not permitted. If wearing video goggles (or similar devices that block your view of the surrounding airspace) when flying outdoors, you must have another person act as a spotter to monitor the airspace for any manned air traffic and notify you about how to not interfere with and give way to any manned aircraft. However, if you keep your drone’s flight below the top of nearby buildings, structures, or trees, or to very low altitudes such as a drone race course, you are not required to have a spotter to monitor the airspace. Flight through obstacle-filled environments (such as forests) while wearing goggles is permitted without a spotter provided that you ensure in advance that the location is clear of people.

  1. Night operations
Only fly your drone at night if the drone is equipped with lights sufficient for you to see the orientation and flight direction of the drone. Prior to your flight at night, check for obstacles that may not be easily seen in the dark.

  1. Assistance in emergencies
A DUGN member may assist fire departments and other emergency responders as a volunteer without compensation, and such activities to help people in need are considered to be within the programming of DUGN. Such assistance should always be subject to the supervision and direction of the incident commander or other official in charge of the emergency response. Do not fly your own rescue missions if there may be emergency responders using manned aircraft, or if your flight could distract the emergency workers on the ground.

  1. Regulations
These Safety Guidelines are independent from any regulatory or legal requirements for drone operation in your flight location. It is each drone user’s responsibility to learn and comply with applicable laws.



Safety is everyone’s responsibility. As a member of the DUGN community, you are a representative of this technology to the public. A violation of any of these Safety Guidelines is grounds for termination of membership without refund.
 
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Yeah, or "People who actually know something about flying, and the rules that apply to drones." As opposed to "Genius Adventurers who fly drones by their own rules, because, what are the odds" or some such thing.

Yes or "people that have been flying drones since the beginning and know what they are doing and have a realistic idea of the dangers as opposed to an inflated, worse case, panic driven idea of what could happen"... Nah that's a long name for a forum.
 
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I believe that I have another organization:

Drone User Group Network Safety Code

This document sets out the safety guidelines for the Drone Users Group Network community. Our goal with this document is to provide guidelines that are easy to follow, and that prioritize safety, while allowing people to enjoy the full recreational, artistic, educational, and scientific benefits of drone technology. A “drone” is a type of model aircraft, typically but not always a multi-rotor model, and often carries a camera.

  1. General Guidelines
Never fly your drone in a careless or reckless manner.

Never interfere with, and always give way to, any manned aircraft.

Do not fly your drone near major wildfires or other emergencies where manned traffic (such as air ambulances and water-drop aircraft) may be responding to the situation, without first coordinating with officials.

Before each flight, make sure your drone is in good operating condition with all propellers tightened and undamaged.

  1. Novice pilots
For your first two hours of flight time with your first drone, only fly in open areas, well away from people, buildings, and cars, and keep the drone below 200 feet above-ground-level and within 500 horizontal feet of yourself. Focus on learning how to fly with the camera pointed towards you, which will make it seem like the drone’s flight controls are reversed. (Very small “toy” drones may be flown indoors and count towards the two hours of flight time.) Consulting with an experienced drone user as you learn to fly is recommended but not required.

  1. Distance offset
Do not fly your drone closer than five feet laterally from spectators. (Very small “toy” drones may be flown closer with the consent of the spectator(s).)

  1. Overflight of people
Do not fly a drone weighing more than 4 pounds directly over an unprotected person other than yourself. For drones that weigh 4 pounds or less, do not fly directly over unprotected people who have not expressly consented to the overflight. Overflight should only be conducted once you are experienced with, and confident in, the equipment you are using. The duration of any overflight of unprotected people should be minimized.

  1. Maximum Altitude
Keep your drone below 400 feet above-ground-level (AGL) or below 400 feet above the top of a structure that you are flying over. In locations with sparse manned air traffic, and when visibility is excellent, you may exceed 400 feet AGL with the assistance of a spotter who continually scans the airspace in all directions to report to you any approaching air traffic.

  1. Autonomous flight modes
Autonomous or self-piloting flight modes (such as follow-me, waypoint navigation, and GPS-guided orbital flight paths) should only be engaged if there is an override ability. When using such modes in a location where there may be manned air traffic, you or an assistant must always maintain the ability to engage the override and resume direct control of the drone. Failsafe modes such as automatic return-to-home are exempt from this guideline.

  1. Outdoor First Person View operations
When flying outdoors, you must keep your drone within the distance limitation of your visual line of sight. Long-range FPV is not permitted. If wearing video goggles (or similar devices that block your view of the surrounding airspace) when flying outdoors, you must have another person act as a spotter to monitor the airspace for any manned air traffic and notify you about how to not interfere with and give way to any manned aircraft. However, if you keep your drone’s flight below the top of nearby buildings, structures, or trees, or to very low altitudes such as a drone race course, you are not required to have a spotter to monitor the airspace. Flight through obstacle-filled environments (such as forests) while wearing goggles is permitted without a spotter provided that you ensure in advance that the location is clear of people.

  1. Night operations
Only fly your drone at night if the drone is equipped with lights sufficient for you to see the orientation and flight direction of the drone. Prior to your flight at night, check for obstacles that may not be easily seen in the dark.

  1. Assistance in emergencies
A DUGN member may assist fire departments and other emergency responders as a volunteer without compensation, and such activities to help people in need are considered to be within the programming of DUGN. Such assistance should always be subject to the supervision and direction of the incident commander or other official in charge of the emergency response. Do not fly your own rescue missions if there may be emergency responders using manned aircraft, or if your flight could distract the emergency workers on the ground.

  1. Regulations
These Safety Guidelines are independent from any regulatory or legal requirements for drone operation in your flight location. It is each drone user’s responsibility to learn and comply with applicable laws.



Safety is everyone’s responsibility. As a member of the DUGN community, you are a representative of this technology to the public. A violation of any of these Safety Guidelines is grounds for termination of membership without refund.

That seems reasonable and almost exactly how I actually fly.
 
Okay I'm out... If you're going to argue both sides... The stupid rules of the AMA restrict height to 400 AGL. You've contended that the AMA's guidelines are law based on 336 so....

Just in case it matters - the AMA Safety Code does not restrict altitude to 400 ft.
 
Just in case it matters - the AMA Safety Code does not restrict altitude to 400 ft.

Wait are you sure? Where in the heck did that number come from? Is it on the FAA guidelines, then? Crap! I've read so many stupid guidelines lately, that I've missed them up, sorry.

That's my fault, but it doesn't change my opinion. First he says "follow the rules", then he says, "they aren't rules" or something. I'm easily confused, dang it!

In any case, I have no real interest to fly much over 400' and rarely do unless it's to get a shot.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification! I can always count on you to have my back!
 
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From Volume 16, Unmanned Aircraft Systems, Chapter 1.

QQ. Visual Line of Sight (VLOS). Means that any flightcrew member (i.e., remote PIC, the person manipulating the controls, and visual observer, if used) is capable of seeing the aircraft with vision unaided by any device other than corrective lenses, spectacles or contact lenses

Yea, I can't do that with the Mavic every time I fly. It admit to not being able to do that most of the time. The thing is just too small and flies too fast. Try it. I wish we all lived closer to each other and we could do a challenge. I'd challenge anyone to follow a Mavic until it's 400' AGL and 1000' away. ASSuming they can still see it, I'll fly it in any direction of their choosing, they close their eyes for 10 seconds, like you're framing a shot, and open them to find the Mavic in the sky. I shot down aircraft for a living and I can't do it!
 
Wait, How are these drones flying in NFZ's?
Someone must have forgotten to do the firmware and software updates.
Or using 3rd party software.
This forum is where most of them are learning how to skirt the saftey features DJI is implementing.
 
Wait, How are these drones flying in NFZ's?
Someone must have forgotten to do the firmware and software updates.
Or using 3rd party software.
This forum is where most of them are learning how to skirt the saftey features DJI is implementing.

Yes and the best part is that half the time it's the same people angry at NFZs (and modding their drones) that complain of "irresponsible behavior" from drone pilots.
 
So, does anyone know what make and model the aircraft is? I ask because if this is your standard front engine Piper or Beechcraft I would have to wonder how the UAV got past the prop? If true, it was likely a UAV under 4 pounds while a goose can easily be 15. I call hoax.
 
So, does anyone know what make and model the aircraft is? I ask because if this is your standard front engine Piper or Beechcraft I would have to wonder how the UAV got past the prop? If true, it was likely a UAV under 4 pounds while a goose can easily be 15. I call hoax.

Which aircraft are you asking about?
 
I thought it a little strange, why the ama had stuff about control line models- i just guessd they were a quaint throw back to the 1950s 60s when rc was using valves and was only for the very rich, so lots of people used control line as it was cheaper - apparently though they are still very popular, and if you think the mavic is dangerous to bystanders, have a read of the wiki link, one of these control line models hitting you at 140 mph would certainly mess up your day.

Its amazing what you learn on this forum, before hand id have guessed control line models were something maybe a few old people occasionally flew as they had in their youth, for old times sake :)

Control line - Wikipedia
These guys are deadly serious. They are probably more competitive than old RCers like myself, and I was no slouch to the point that when I flew, my keenest competitor said to not get in my way and don't even try to talk to me. To say I was focussed would be an understatement. CL guys compete on the international stage and set some amazing records. In addition, the scale guys build some impeccable birds, that put most scale modellers to shame. Keen, ... yes, and run by the rules ... yes!
 
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