Casey Neistat under FAA investigation

[Red_Raven]

I'm not saying people should do it but I don't see many people posting such dangerous actions like flying in the middle of NYC either. Just comparing what he did to what others are doing.

Aircraft engines go trough regulations and have to pass. They are required to just suck in medium sized birds and send them our the other end.... The probably come out more as a stew than a bird.... But the engine usually don't damage critically, and when they do, the aircraft also is designs to adjust it's wings and some stuff I don't know enough about, so they can fly without that particular engine.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure mavic would pass, phantom I'm not so sure off.

If your in any doubt just Google the subject and read through, there's a lot of articles, both from mainstream media and also from specialists on the subject.

I would worry about single engine smaller aircrafts tough, some single or two seat Cessna would probably not handle drone. But commercial aircraft should, if it's build by rules and regulations.


And man, I'm not retarded, I'm not saying this shouldn't be our main concern, that is to stay as far away as possible. I'm just saying there us way to much drama in here over everything! In a mostly male society like this forum of ours it's awkward, I would consider this amount of worries and drama acceptable, but still in the higher threshold in a woman's club of some kind.

I'm not going to say people should grow a.... But still... [emoji23]

 

[tcope]

I'm not saying people should do it but I don't see many people posting such dangerous actions like flying in the middle of NYC either. Just comparing what he did to what others are doing.

I don't see others flying near heliports and airports.

Then you have not looked over a site such as youtube.com at all.

What I'm saying is that Neistat has a BIG target on his back because he's so well known and people LOVE to take those people down to where they feel their level is. Again, I can understanding creating this thread as it's interesting. What I fail to understand is the simple _hate_ posts that came after. They are pointed at Neistat... as if he's the only one who's broken the rules. I further pointed out that _many_ people in this thread think the average person (including themselves) can feel free to break the laws because they are not "hurting" anyone. They then jump on the band wagon when the figure is pointed at someone who's successful.

 

[Kestrel]

Then you have not looked over a site such as youtube.com at all.

What I'm saying is that Neistat has a BIG target on his back because he's so well known and people LOVE to take those people down to where they feel their level is. Again, I can understanding creating this thread as it's interesting. What I fail to understand is the simple _hate_ posts that came after. They are pointed at Neistat... as if he's the only one who's broken the rules. I further pointed out that _many_ people in this thread think the average person (including themselves) can feel free to break the laws because they are not "hurting" anyone. They then jump on the band wagon when the figure is pointed at someone who's successful.

I don't care that he's famous if he's flying near airports and helipads then he should be punished just like everyone else, just because he's famous people shouldn't be defending him, he's not above the law and neither are we.

Obviously I can't watch every YouTube video but the ones I've seen on this forum don't amount to flying close to them.


And since he's famous shouldn't he be setting a better example, he's got a large viewer base, some might want to do the things he does.

 

[Red_Raven]

My biggest wish for this society and the drone community if everyone would think about them selfs and leave others to do the same.
Are you complaining over people who cross the speed limits on the highway in the same amount as are done on here on someone flying irresponsibly?
I didn't think so. It's hypocritical to choose some law to make superior than others, either join law enforcement and get an erection on power trip or leave the enforcement to law enforcement.
Just smile and don't act like your heart was ripped out every time flying out of Los is written on the internet, you'll never win.

 

[Kestrel]

My biggest wish for this society and the drone community if everyone would think about them selfs and leave others to do the same.
Are you complaining over people who cross the speed limits on the highway in the same amount as are done on here on someone flying irresponsibly?
I didn't think so. It's hypocritical to choose some law to make superior than others, either join law enforcement and get an erection on power trip or leave the enforcement to law enforcement.
Just smile and don't act like your heart was ripped out every time flying out of Los is written on the internet, you'll never win.

Ok so I post a video flying close to airports you're gonna be totally fine with it? I'm sure you and a lot of other people would say I was bad for the drone community and this and that and for good reason but some famous YouTuber does it and it's fine and then you go on to tell me about breaking speed limits lol..

 

[Red_Raven]

Ok so I post a video flying close to airports you're gonna be totally fine with it? I'm sure you and a lot of other people would say I was bad for the drone community and this and that and for good reason but some famous YouTuber does it and it's fine and then you go on to tell me about breaking speed limits lol..

You're not getting me..... I don't think or have ever said I think it's OK if you or any famous youtube starlet would do so. Even if it was Jesus christ or Elvis I wouldn't think any different on it.
All I'm saying that it's not my responsibility and therefore I m not going to make a judgement. I don't even have all if any of the pieces of the puzzle.... For instance I was flying few weeks ago inside th main track on Reykjavik main airport, I did so on an assignment for a company that was doing a "paint" job on an aircraft (with stickers/film) it was a paid assignment and done in full cooperation with the government and in this case the flighttower. I could post a footage that would look so bad that it would make most users in here mental. But I won't it's irresponsible of me if I would.

See how every case can have its own preferences?

It's not ours to judge, the society we live in has people paid and trained in the job to do so. Leave it to them.

 

[Kestrel]

You're not getting me..... I don't think or have ever said I think it's OK if you or any famous youtube starlet would do so. Even if it was Jesus christ or Elvis I wouldn't think any different on it.
All I'm saying that it's not my responsibility and therefore I m not going to make a judgement. I don't even have all if any of the pieces of the puzzle.... For instance I was flying few weeks ago inside th main track on Reykjavik main airport, I did so on an assignment for a company that was doing a "paint" job on an aircraft (with stickers/film) it was a paid assignment and done in full cooperation with the government and in this case the flighttower. I could post a footage that would look so bad that it would make most users in here mental. But I won't it's irresponsible of me if I would.

See how every case can have its own preferences?

It's not ours to judge, the society we live in has people paid and trained in the job to do so. Leave it to them.

In that case you would be a troll for not disclosing that you had permission to be there, in all likelihood Casey didn't have permission.

If he broke the law then he should be punished, that's my opinion.

 

[HueJorgan]

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Just saying

 

[HueJorgan]

And it spits him out whole

Mods with respect how is this off topic?

A forum to discuss mavic topics and stories about them
It's interesting moving it is a little over zealous surely?

 

[Red_Raven]

Medium sized bird probably. Lol [emoji23]

 

[Red_Raven]

Huejorgan was that said to be out of topic? I think it's as spot on as spot can be....

 

[Red_Raven]

In that case you would be a troll for not disclosing that you had permission to be there, in all likelihood Casey didn't have permission.

If he broke the law then he should be punished, that's my opinion.

Absolutely, but it's not you or me who's going to punish him are we? Nor should we be making the judgements, and make a great tool for info like this forum a lot worse for its use and even scare away some users. Just so we can feel the satisfaction of sitting in an imaginary judge stool that only exists in our own reality.

It's time for a toy Story quote :

"Woody: All right, that's enough! Look, we're all very impressed with Andy's new toy.

Buzz: Toy?

Woody: T-O-Y, Toy!

Buzz: Excuse me, I think the word you're searching for is "Space Ranger".

Woody: The word I'm searching for - I can't say, because there's preschool toys present."


----
Learn your place in the world people.

 

[Red_Raven]

"Pew" how do I manage to get involved in those threads again and again..... Eventually we all have to agree to disagree or simply sign out.

 

[halley]

Aircraft engines go trough regulations and have to pass. They are required to just suck in medium sized birds and send them our the other end.... The probably come out more as a stew than a bird.... But the engine usually don't damage critically, and when they do, the aircraft also is designs to adjust it's wings and some stuff I don't know enough about, so they can fly without that particular engine.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure mavic would pass, phantom I'm not so sure off.

I'm in that industry, working with in-development commercial airliner engines.

Commercial gas turbine engines have to pass rigorous ingestion tests, including single bird, flocking bird, and natural ice formations. The top criteria is whether any broken component escapes the nacelle (shell around the engine) as that would be catastrophic damage to the airframe. The second criteria is whether it would damage, shut down or destroy the engine. There are several failure cases which would cause an in-flight shutdown of an engine, some of which would allow the pilot to attempt to restart it, and some of which would not allow the pilot to restart the engine. Ingesting foreign objects tends in the "don't restart" category.

Losing one engine on a commercial airliner is not catastrophic but will cost in the millions to inspect, repair or replace. Losing multiple engines in a large flock of birds is what brings airliners down before they can return to an airport.

A drone the size of the Spark or Mavic would be way more destructive to the internal components of an engine than a pigeon, duck, goose, or turkey. The bones of a bird are brittle and snap with little more than finger strength. A drone has hard plastics, copper and steel parts, and lots and lots of little neodymium magnets which would just love to make friends with the interior of a turbine. Companies have not done a lot of tests with such ingestion yet, because they know it would be the last test that such an engine could conduct. Destroying an engine in service is costly, but destroying a test engine is even more costly with all the engineering work that goes into conducting that test and analyzing the results.

Just remember, impact force goes up exponentially with velocity. A bit of foam insulation destroyed a space shuttle.

 

[8BitMavics]

I belive Commercial Aircraft engines are designed to handle (push trough) medium sized birds, at least take that into count when you guys predict Armageddon. And I solely belive that mavic pro wouldn't even be considered medium sized bird.

...

The problem here is that birds don't have explosive, high density LiPo batteries in their bellies...

 

[Red_Raven]

I'm in that industry, working with in-development commercial airliner engines.

Commercial gas turbine engines have to pass rigorous ingestion tests, including single bird, flocking bird, and natural ice formations. The top criteria is whether any broken component escapes the nacelle (shell around the engine) as that would be catastrophic damage to the airframe. The second criteria is whether it would damage, shut down or destroy the engine. There are several failure cases which would cause an in-flight shutdown of an engine, some of which would allow the pilot to attempt to restart it, and some of which would not allow the pilot to restart the engine. Ingesting foreign objects tends in the "don't restart" category.

Losing one engine on a commercial airliner is not catastrophic but will cost in the millions to inspect, repair or replace. Losing multiple engines in a large flock of birds is what brings airliners down before they can return to an airport.

A drone the size of the Spark or Mavic would be way more destructive to the internal components of an engine than a pigeon, duck, goose, or turkey. The bones of a bird are brittle and snap with little more than finger strength. A drone has hard plastics, copper and steel parts, and lots and lots of little neodymium magnets which would just love to make friends with the interior of a turbine. Companies have not done a lot of tests with such ingestion yet, because they know it would be the last test that such an engine could conduct. Destroying an engine in service is costly, but destroying a test engine is even more costly with all the engineering work that goes into conducting that test and analyzing the results.

Just remember, impact force goes up exponentially with velocity. A bit of foam insulation destroyed a space shuttle.

This is a real answer! Just facts without all those feeling getting in the way.

I didn't say an impact with mavic wouldn't make a damage, I only stayed that I doubted it would bring an aircraft down. Mavics usually don't travel by many so the risk of taking both engines like many birds could is out of the way. But on a bad day, we all know something as small as a parrot could take down an aircraft, just as I could get hit by a lightning.... Everything is possible on a bad day.

And related subject.... I know we are controlling unmanned crafts and should therefor always make manned craft have all priority, but I still want to say that helicopter pilot have to acknowledge our existence. Every single time I had anything to do with them they show reckless behavior acting like they own the sky and don't act like there is a drone nearby even tough they know about its there.

It sometimes reminds me of commercials where bikers are saying drivers don't thing about them on the road and should look again I think the rear view when they see a bike...

I always get the same scene into mind..... Where I look in the mirror see a biker quite far away and simply take the turn I was going to and get the bike smashing into the side of me, did I look again, yeah, did I see a bike, yeah, but I missed the part that the ******* was on 300kmh....

But drivers, look again.
Pffff.

 

[Dragonfly]

You're not getting me..... I don't think or have ever said I think it's OK if you or any famous youtube starlet would do so. Even if it was Jesus christ or Elvis I wouldn't think any different on it.
All I'm saying that it's not my responsibility and therefore I m not going to make a judgement. I don't even have all if any of the pieces of the puzzle.... For instance I was flying few weeks ago inside th main track on Reykjavik main airport, I did so on an assignment for a company that was doing a "paint" job on an aircraft (with stickers/film) it was a paid assignment and done in full cooperation with the government and in this case the flighttower. I could post a footage that would look so bad that it would make most users in here mental. But I won't it's irresponsible of me if I would.

See how every case can have its own preferences?

It's not ours to judge, the society we live in has people paid and trained in the job to do so. Leave it to them.

What do you mean its not your responsibility. IT IS, and everyone in the drone hobby to self police the sport as if we dont its idiots like Neisat that CAUSE the public to dislike drones and the backlash affects us all in changes to rules and regs out cried from that public who we will never win against.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, I dont care if its joe blogs or famous Casey Neistat. Why should one poor unknown be fined for same thing and Casey get away with it. We are all part of this sport as a whole and weather we like it or not we all have to be responsible, step up and be pro active in it and not hide your head and just say let the authorities do their job.

 

[Red_Raven]

What do you mean its not your responsibility. IT IS, and everyone in the drone hobby to self police the sport as if we dont its idiots like Neisat that CAUSE the public to dislike drones and the backlash affects us all in changes to rules and regs out cried from that public who we will never win against.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, I dont care if its joe blogs or famous Casey Neistat. Why should one poor unknown be fined for same thing and Casey get away with it. We are all oart of this sport as a whole and weather we like it or not we all have to be responsible, step up and be pro active in it and not hide your head and just say let the authorities do their job.

My responsibility is to make sure that my part is not damaging the hobby or anything else for that matter, I take no responsibility for you, thank God.

If everyone just think about their own ***** we wouldn't have many problem would we?
But while everyone is acting like a drug addicts trying to find someone who's worse off than they self to point at and lift their conscious a little and being so busy doing that that Noone remembers about the rules that amazingly apply to them selfs to....

It's about not seeing the plank standing out of your head, while pointing out the needle in the eye of the guy standing next to you. It's stupit

 

[Red_Raven]

What do you mean its not your responsibility. IT IS, and everyone in the drone hobby to self police the sport as if we dont its idiots like Neisat that CAUSE the public to dislike drones and the backlash affects us all in changes to rules and regs out cried from that public who we will never win against.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, I dont care if its joe blogs or famous Casey Neistat. Why should one poor unknown be fined for same thing and Casey get away with it. We are all part of this sport as a whole and weather we like it or not we all have to be responsible, step up and be pro active in it and not hide your head and just say let the authorities do their job.

All this negative talk on an open forum does alot of damage to the community as well. Many will not even know about all the regulations there is to break untill reading all the pissed guys here shout someone out, you have to take that into account to.

Good example is how the vaping community made a little issue with substance called diacethyl in their e-juice go so bad and viral, just because of hysteria in the community. While the crowd was still coughing up the tar from the 20marlboro smoking habits of last decades everyone was getting killed at ones from this substance that studies showed might not be good for you....

All vape juice manufacturers practically had to make statements, even prove that their juice was clean from it, and recipes of the world's most popular juices were changed for the worse usually.

All because of talk inside community's forums. This went viral and still is thought of as the reason you shouldn't vape NY large amount of people.

How is this any different what is going on in here?

 

[Red_Raven]

Man I still don't get how I'm not doing something else, I hate arguing about this...... [emoji622]