DJI sales in America.

[mavic3usa]

You know now that I think about this some If you wanted a product off your countries market and knew that an outright ban would face years of hurdles and litigation, Why not just make it too expensive and troublesome for the seller to import their goods . ...No need for a ban.
DJI has NO interest in importing Drones to the U.S. anymore, and has slammed the door shut. Maybe, they will come around and come back BUT I am starting to think that that will never happen!
Looking at what DJI is doing right now, I can see a total Drone blackout in the U.S. from DJI. They are not sending parts to the usual American distributors any longer so we owners will soon be the "hot Rod" shade tree mechanics of the new era.
The regulations here change way to quickly for even a small builder to keep up with and if you did ship a butt load of your drones to America the chances of it being a complete loss to your company are greater than not...... But it gets worse. Even open source drone parts from china are becoming rare and untenable.
We will soon be the only country in the world where Drone ownership can only be achieved if you are AMAZON.,Walmart, or the Government. ( or you already bought in
DJI has NO need to sell Drones here to make money in the U.S. and in fact compared to their other products Drones have probably been more of a problem than a blessing.
I just don't see DJI knocking on our doors any more.

Kinda like I have been saying all along, for over a year now, since I joined. I call it a "defacto" ban. No one here knows exactly how it will go down or how things will play out or the timing. But I know you don't need a bill from Congress to ban drones. You don't need a new law at the state level either. Everyone kept saying it can't be done or it will never pass or xyz agency has no authority, FCC has already granted, etc. When it comes to the government and especially these days, anything is possible and all options are on the table. No one should be saying what Congress intended or only Congress can decide or the FAA has delegated or if the FAA has power; whatever or the states cannot decides things; *everything* is on the table.

Same thing is being said about grounding current DJI drones. Can you believe there are still people who are adamant that the central government cannot ground DJI drones in the US? That's literally insane. The government owns the airspace (not the People) and you just told your government to have your way with the People and we won't/can't do anything about it. Can you believe there are still people who believe their government cannot confiscate drones from current DJI drone owners? Have we not yet been convinced sky's the limit and there is a first/second/third for everything?

[Defacto] Ban, grounding, and confiscation *is* coming in some form, it's just a matter of when, not if. Not trying to scare anyone, just being realistic, and getting us prepared. Defacto ban is already here and if we saw a chart of new drone owners in the US, the curve would fall off a cliff in 2025. The next step is to ground the drones and the airspace will be clear of drones faster than commercial air traffic right after 9/11. And what better way to begin collecting "paperweights" by offering buyback programs or opening temporary FRIAs so your fairly new equipment can be used for a little bit longer. The timing will be right when a false flag operation (10 times worse than NJ) hits and suddenly there are calls for drones to declared as contraband which authorizes the final step, confiscation. Remember that government list you're on called the FAA drone registration database? Combine that with remote ID and whatever is left of the recreational drone community will be decimated. There's a reason why whenever you see *any* futuristic depiction of drones in a new world there are only service drones, police drones, and military drones; there are *no* personal drones.

 

[Cafguy]

Its a darn shame too, Heck if DJI would have had a more welcoming and friendlier Relationship with the U.S. who knows in a couple of years I could be flying in my DJI on my way to Vegas! ......meet george jetson..........

 

[Max Headroom]

Your next president may be a fan of drones and itll end well.

 

[Cafguy]

It’s no longer relative weather we get a “friendlier” potus I think the die has been cast.
It’s just to big of a hassle to try to give the monkeys bananas anymore no matter how tasty you make them. DJI will still pad its pockets DEEP with U.S. Dollars but I think we have reached a point where DJI has just had enough of the madness and Drones are off the table.
Perhaps if our Government would now give them concessions we just may be able to win them back but it will take concessions and we all know where the present administration stands on that one!

 

[mavic3usa]

It’s no longer relative weather we get a “friendlier” potus I think the die has been cast.
It’s just to big of a hassle to try to give the monkeys bananas anymore no matter how tasty you make them. DJI will still pad its pockets DEEP with U.S. Dollars but I think we have reached a point where DJI has just had enough of the madness and Drones are off the table.
Perhaps if our Government would now give them concessions we just may be able to win them back but it will take concessions and we all know where the present administration stands on that one!

Agreed, we are hurdling quickly towards the point of no return. Over a decade of goodwill squandered. Rumor has it Best Buy is bailing for good.

 

[GadgetGuy]

You know now that I think about this some If you wanted a product off your countries market and knew that an outright ban would face years of hurdles and litigation, Why not just make it too expensive and troublesome for the seller to import their goods . ...No need for a ban.
DJI has NO interest in importing Drones to the U.S. anymore, and has slammed the door shut. Maybe, they will come around and come back BUT I am starting to think that that will never happen!
Looking at what DJI is doing right now, I can see a total Drone blackout in the U.S. from DJI. They are not sending parts to the usual American distributors any longer so we owners will soon be the "hot Rod" shade tree mechanics of the new era.
The regulations here change way to quickly for even a small builder to keep up with and if you did ship a butt load of your drones to America the chances of it being a complete loss to your company are greater than not...... But it gets worse. Even open source drone parts from china are becoming rare and untenable.
We will soon be the only country in the world where Drone ownership can only be achieved if you are AMAZON.,Walmart, or the Government. ( or you already bought in
DJI has NO need to sell Drones here to make money in the U.S. and in fact compared to their other products Drones have probably been more of a problem than a blessing.
I just don't see DJI knocking on our doors any more.

Since DJI owns 70% of the current drone market in the U.S., the quickest way to eliminate all privately owned drones is to make it difficult and unprofitable for DJI to sell any more drones in the U.S., regardless of how that is accomplished. Let DJI voluntarily decide to withdraw. No ban necessary. Done! The other 30% will gladly agree to whatever restrictions the regulstord want to impose, and without competition from DJI, they might just stay profitable.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Your next president may be a fan of drones and itll end well.

The public itself has been turned against all drones by the media coverage of the DJI consumer drone use in the war in Ukraine for both surveillance and Kamikaze flights, and increasingly realistic privacy concerns with 28x hybrid zoom cameras that can read car license plates from a block away.

 

[Cafguy]

The rest of the DJI's in our hangers will slowly start to die as the only parts available start to dry up. Unless of course there is a "BOB" somewhere in the U.S. feverishly working on homemade gimbals and IMU's

 

[Felix le Chat]

The rest of the DJI's in our hangers will slowly start to die as the only parts available start to dry up. Unless of course there is a "BOB" somewhere in the U.S. feverishly working on homemade gimbals and IMU's

Before DJI finally writes off the US marketplace and withdraws it's drone product lines, what they ought to do (as a parting gift to everyone whose dollars contributed to their meteoric rise) is release one final firmware update for their entire back catalogue... one that removes all software restrictions: reinstates the developer console in DJI Assistant and removes all traces of ARB.

 

[BlueHeeler]

Lots of BS Conjecture here, there I said it, come at me Bro !!!!

Anybody here have Frank Wang's email ?

 

[Cafguy]

Lots of BS Conjecture here, there I said it, come at me Bro !!!!

Anybody here have Frank Wang's email ?

All Good. You have your opinion too. Here is how I sorta developed my personal BS lol.
I have been flying Drones for some time now also building and repairing my own.
Back then The drone stores were plenty! The code was open! and Everyone was on the bandwagon enjoying hassle free fun in the sky!
Then the Government stepped in.............and the water started Drying up!
Now the water is so bad that the fish don't even want to come here to swim.
I keep thinking of a picture I saw of an old man that was staring silently at a desert lined with Boats on their side, that was in his heyday a Huge body of water and fishing industry giant in his country. I am that old man and Drones are my discarded legacy.
The fact that our Government lied to our grandparents about a Fair trade deal with China decades ago is really NO reason to all of a sudden lash out at the Chinese and demand reparations.
I'll say it..It was unfair and you can catch more flys with sugar!

 

[BlueHeeler]

All Good. You have your opinion too. Here is how I sorta developed my personal BS lol.
I have been flying Drones for some time now also building and repairing my own.
Back then The drone stores were plenty! The code was open! and Everyone was on the bandwagon enjoying hassle free fun in the sky!
Then the Government stepped in.............and the water started Drying up!
Now the water is so bad that the fish don't even want to come here to swim.
I keep thinking of a picture I saw of an old man that was staring silently at a desert lined with Boats on their side, that was in his heyday a Huge body of water and fishing industry giant in his country. I am that old man and Drones are my discarded legacy.
The fact that our Government lied to our grandparents about a Fair trade deal with China decades ago is really NO reason to all of a sudden lash out at the Chinese and demand reparations.
I'll say it..It was unfair and you can catch more flys with sugar!

Opinions are good, but no facts or sources , I am one of those guys who sits on the sidelines , watching, waiting to see what happens, I even sent an email to my Senator and Reps way back when talk to ban DJI and others started ( canned response from them )

I really like to hear from DJI's CEO on what he is planning from here on out, so far I see nothing out there on the media
except for DJI saying they are welcoming our governments investigations into their product, these things take months to complete.
Meanwhile, I'll keep flying with caution as usual, avoiding carelessness and wrecks.

 

[Max Headroom]

If they can get the review done in time I think you'll be fine but you are going to have to pay more if you want the best.

But if no agency steps forward and completes the review by the December 2025 deadline, the NDAA provision could trigger an automatic ban on DJI - through no fault of our own, but simply because no agency chose to take on the work of reviewing our products.

Six Months to the NDAA Deadline: Time Is Ticking for a DJI Audit

Six Months to the NDAA Deadline: Time Is Ticking for a DJI Audit

We commend the administration’s recent EOs, but there is still a key pressing issue that remains unresolved for DJI and the drone community: the upcoming NDAA deadline.

viewpoints.dji.com

 

[hank970]

Kinda like I have been saying all along, for over a year now, since I joined. I call it a "defacto" ban. No one here knows exactly how it will go down or how things will play out or the timing. But I know you don't need a bill from Congress to ban drones. You don't need a new law at the state level either. Everyone kept saying it can't be done or it will never pass or xyz agency has no authority, FCC has already granted, etc. When it comes to the government and especially these days, anything is possible and all options are on the table. No one should be saying what Congress intended or only Congress can decide or the FAA has delegated or if the FAA has power; whatever or the states cannot decides things; *everything* is on the table.

Same thing is being said about grounding current DJI drones. Can you believe there are still people who are adamant that the central government cannot ground DJI drones in the US? That's literally insane. The government owns the airspace (not the People) and you just told your government to have your way with the People and we won't/can't do anything about it. Can you believe there are still people who believe their government cannot confiscate drones from current DJI drone owners? Have we not yet been convinced sky's the limit and there is a first/second/third for everything?

[Defacto] Ban, grounding, and confiscation *is* coming in some form, it's just a matter of when, not if. Not trying to scare anyone, just being realistic, and getting us prepared. Defacto ban is already here and if we saw a chart of new drone owners in the US, the curve would fall off a cliff in 2025. The next step is to ground the drones and the airspace will be clear of drones faster than commercial air traffic right after 9/11. And what better way to begin collecting "paperweights" by offering buyback programs or opening temporary FRIAs so your fairly new equipment can be used for a little bit longer. The timing will be right when a false flag operation (10 times worse than NJ) hits and suddenly there are calls for drones to declared as contraband which authorizes the final step, confiscation. Remember that government list you're on called the FAA drone registration database? Combine that with remote ID and whatever is left of the recreational drone community will be decimated. There's a reason why whenever you see *any* futuristic depiction of drones in a new world there are only service drones, police drones, and military drones; there are *no* personal drones.

The second sentence in your diatribe makes sense. Nobody knows. The rest of your comments contradict it because you claim to know just how things are going to play out.

Just an opinion here, but I don't think the current administration's posture is necessarily anti-drone. It's generally anti-anyone and anything foreign -- us vs. them. The basis for all of this tariff baloney is that a deeply insecure man thinks everyone's out to rip us (and him) off. Since DJI is a foreign company, and because it's a Chinese enterprise in particular, it's in the crosshairs. If and when there's a competitive domestic manufacturer of drones, the Project 2025 bunch in Washington will embrace it with open arms. They'll chant Buy American.

This for sure: there are a lot of Nervous Nellies and Chicken Littles among us, thinking the worst, as usual.

 

[Max Headroom]

Is no one worried they may just let this run and you will be hit with an automatic ban seems an easy way for them to impose a ban by the back door with no one for pilots to blame.

But if no agency steps forward and completes the review by the December 2025 deadline, the NDAA provision could trigger an automatic ban on DJI - through no fault of our own, but simply because no agency chose to take on the work of reviewing our products.

Six Months to the NDAA Deadline: Time Is Ticking for a DJI Audit

We commend the administration’s recent EOs, but there is still a key pressing issue that remains unresolved for DJI and the drone community: the upcoming NDAA deadline.

viewpoints.dji.com

 

[BaldyBoyBilly]

The second sentence in your diatribe makes sense. Nobody knows. The rest of your comments contradict it because you claim to know just how things are going to play out.

Just an opinion here, but I don't think the current administration's posture is necessarily anti-drone. It's generally anti-anyone and anything foreign -- us vs. them. The basis for all of this tariff baloney is that a deeply insecure man thinks everyone's out to rip us (and him) off. Since DJI is a foreign company, and because it's a Chinese enterprise in particular, it's in the crosshairs. If and when there's a competitive domestic manufacturer of drones, the Project 2025 bunch in Washington will embrace it with open arms. They'll chant Buy American.

This for sure: there are a lot of Nervous Nellies and Chicken Littles among us, thinking the worst, as usual.

Since you’ve gone politic, and since you stated you like facts, remember this crap didnt start during the term of the “insecure man” it began with “Sleepy Joe” at the wheel.

 

[anotherlab]

Since you’ve gone politic, and since you stated you like facts, remember this crap didnt start during the term of the “insecure man” it began with “Sleepy Joe” at the wheel.

The Countering CCP Drones was introduced during the Biden administration, but it was introduced by a Republican member of Congress, Elise Stefanik.

The DJI bashing is one of the few things that both sides of the aisle seem to agree on.

 

[Rchawks]

Plus we try to be helpful to others with their Questions and Problems and keep Politics to a minimum if possible in order to learn and become better Pilots. That’s why we all come to this site isn’t it? To benefit. We’re not in the position to change anything meaningful from this Forum, only to express frustration here which doesn’t help the discussions. Funny thing is I use to lose myself (and still do) on this Forum to avoid Politics on the News feed. Sort of my escape to keep my sanity, JMHO.

 

[GadgetGuy]

The rest of the DJI's in our hangers will slowly start to die as the only parts available start to dry up. Unless of course there is a "BOB" somewhere in the U.S. feverishly working on homemade gimbals and IMU's

The batteries are the Achille's heel to all our older drones. They are getting old and some are swelling and others just failing, even under pro-active maintenance.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Opinions are good, but no facts or sources , I am one of those guys who sits on the sidelines , watching, waiting to see what happens, I even sent an email to my Senator and Reps way back when talk to ban DJI and others started ( canned response from them )

I really like to hear from DJI's CEO on what he is planning from here on out, so far I see nothing out there on the media
except for DJI saying they are welcoming our governments investigations into their product, these things take months to complete.
Meanwhile, I'll keep flying with caution as usual, avoiding carelessness and wrecks.

They are only allowing 30 days to complete the security audit and assess the economic threat. Therein lies the rub! Obviously, proving a negative is almost impossible, let alone in 30 days. Care to speculate about the only conclusion that can be reached in 30 days? "We can't be sure, so we are going to error on the side of caution." It's a rigged game!