Drones already a problem at the Super Bowl

Maviac · Feb 2, 2019

sar104 said:
Simple ignorance of the law is probably the most likely explanation. Not giving a **** may also be an issue.

If nothing else maybe this will be profitable for some of my criminal defense lawyer friends. Ugh.

Blaksony · Feb 2, 2019

globeguy1 said:
And simple ignorance of the law isn't much of a defense either. I'll bet there were a few "hold my beer, watch this" statements down there as well.

Or it comes down to just being dumb *****

Bigbird48 · Feb 2, 2019

Babaganoosh said:
Not even close to the same thing.

Its exactly the same thing. if your using something illegally weather a drone or a gun the police have the right to confiscate it.

tflaris · Feb 3, 2019

Interesting thread. For the most part I feel I’m caught up on all the latest conspiracy theories.

TF

Tony Kiburis · Feb 3, 2019

For anyone living in the Atlanta area.
Did you see on TV any FBI/FAA warnings about the No Fly Zone around the Stadium?
If yes, when did they start & did they repeat the message?

The reason I ask this is to find out if they tried to inform the Recreational drone pilots who are not plugged into NOTAMS.

globeguy1 · Feb 3, 2019

I realize that it is dangerous to presume any level of common sense these days, but certainly new drone pilots found out when they unpacked their new toy, that a government entity known as the FAA is sort of interested in their hobby, hence the requirement to register said drone for hobby use. If the FAA is somewhat interested, it would follow that certain places are not a good idea to practice drone flying skills. Older and presumably (dangerous word alert) wiser drone pilots have at least a rudimentary concept of the airspace and would at least think to fire up an app like B4UFly or dare I say it, just Google "Super Bowl No Fly Zone" and find out what the restrictions are. Even reading at a third grade level with second grade comprehension should result in the conclusion that drone flying around MBS anytime during Super Bowl week is a bad idea.

It makes me wonder if those who told the authorities after their drone was confiscated and professed "I didn't know it was illegal" as a reason are individuals who would think it's a dandy idea to use an electric lawnmower as a means to give their hedge a flat top by picking it up by the mower deck, putting it in place and engaging the blade.

Your mileage may vary.

JDawg · Feb 3, 2019

Common sense ain’t so common.

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

Tony Kiburis said:
For anyone living in the Atlanta area.
Did you see on TV any FBI/FAA warnings about the No Fly Zone around the Stadium?
If yes, when did they start & did they repeat the message?

The reason I ask this is to find out if they tried to inform the Recreational drone pilots who are not plugged into NOTAMS.

There shouldn't be a need to identify a restriction to flight for a stadium or sporting event because those are already restricted areas.

Stadiums and sporting events are first on the list and I would think the Super Bowl would make 3 of the five listed be;ow.

FAA website:
Airspace Restrictions

Airspace Restrictions

There are many types of airspace restrictions in the United States. Below is a list of restrictions that commonly affect UAS flights, including:

JDawg · Feb 3, 2019

Exactly. Common sense...

There shouldn't be a need to identify a restriction to flight for a stadium or sporting event because those are already restricted areas.

Stadiums and sporting events are first on the list.

Tony Kiburis · Feb 3, 2019

tleedom said:
There shouldn't be a need to identify a restriction to flight for a stadium or sporting event because those are already restricted areas.

Stadiums and sporting events are first on the list and I would think the Super Bowl would make 3 of the five listed be;ow.

FAA website:
Airspace Restrictions

Airspace Restrictions

There are many types of airspace restrictions in the United States. Below is a list of restrictions that commonly affect UAS flights, including:

Stadiums and Sporting Events

Near Airports

Security Sensitive Airspace Restrictions

Restricted or Special Use Airspace

Washington, DC

Not all Restricted Areas are permanent. My local college becomes a Temporary Restricted Area on the day a football game is played starting 2 or 3 hours prior to game time & extends well past the time the game has finished. You have to read the NOTAM.

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

JDawg said:
Common sense ain’t so common.

Philosopher and a poet - JDawg your the man

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

Tony Kiburis said:
Not all Restricted Areas are permanent. My local college becomes a Temporary Restricted Area on the day a football game is played starting 2 or 3 hours prior to game time & extends well past the time the game has finished. You have to read the NOTAM.

This OP is in reference to the Super Bowl.

According the FAA linked in my post above, these are permanent:

Stadiums and Sporting Events

Flying drones in and around stadiums is prohibited starting one hour before and ending one hour after the scheduled time of any of the following events:

Major League Baseball
National Football League
NCAA Division One Football
NASCAR Sprint Cup, Indy Car, and Champ Series races

Specifically, UAS operations are prohibited within a radius of three nautical miles of the stadium or venue.

A simple search would have shown that.

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

Free common sense App all sUAS pilots should have on their phone.

B4UFLY is an easy-to-use smartphone app that helps unmanned aircraft operators determine whether there are any restrictions or requirements in effect at the location where they want to fly.

B4UFLY Smartphone App - faa.gov
www.faa.gov/uas/where_to_fly/b4ufly/

Lapeer20m · Feb 3, 2019

Maviac said:
“None of the confiscated drone pilots were Part 107 pilots” per the PhantomPilots post. Not to disparage non-certificated pilots, but why the **** would you consider flying around there at all (MBS is already a restricted area, all the time) but especially this week???

Is it restricted all the time? Is this a state or city law?

Looking at the chart it appears to be in class g airspace and flying is only restricted today because of the Tfr.

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

Lapeer20m said:
Is it restricted all the time? Is this a state or city law?

Looking at the chart it appears to be in class g airspace and flying is only restricted today because of the Tfr.

See my posts 48 and 52 above, pretty clear what the restrictions are for these type of events.

Tony Kiburis · Feb 3, 2019

FYI, this is the actual NOTAM for Super Bowl Sunday around Atlanta.
Note it is a TEMPORARY Restricted Airspace.
This was found at: https://www.notams.faa.gov
Scroll down to: DINS ARTCC Notices, TFRs and Special Notice Page and click KZTL Atlanta

FDC 9/5231 - GA..AIRSPACE ATLANTA, GA..TEMPORARY
FLIGHT
RESTRICTIONS.
FEBRUARY 3, 2019 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B)(3), THE
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION (FAA) CLASSIFIES THE AIRSPACE
DEFINED IN THIS NOTAM AS 'NATIONAL DEFENSE AIRSPACE'. PILOTS WHO
DO NOT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES MAY BE INTERCEPTED,
DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT/SECURITY PERSONNEL.
ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL ACTIONS MAY ALSO BE TAKEN AGAINST
A PILOT WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OR ANY SPECIAL
INSTRUCTIONS OR PROCEDURES ANNOUNCED IN THIS NOTAM:
A) THE FAA MAY TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, INCLUDING IMPOSING CIVIL
PENALTIES AND THE SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF AIRMEN CERTIFICATES;
OR
B) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES,
INCLUDING CHARGES UNDER TITLE 49 OF THE UNITED STATES CODE,
SECTION 46307; OR
C) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST THE
AIRBORNE AIRCRAFT, IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE AIRCRAFT POSES AN
IMMINENT SECURITY THREAT.
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY
END PART 1 OF 7. 03 FEB 22:30 2019 UNTIL 04 FEB 04:59 2019. CREATED: 19 JAN
20:31 2019

FDC 9/5231 - GA..AIRSPACE ATLANTA, GA..TEMPORARY
FLIGHT
INSTRUCTIONS, ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN
AN AREA DEFINED AS 30NM RADIUS OF 334520N0842404W (ATL018007.8)
SFC-17999FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1902032230 UTC (1730 LOCAL 02/03/19) UNTIL 1902040459 UTC
(2359 LOCAL 02/03/19).

WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS 10NM RADIUS OF 334520N0842404W
(ATL018007.8) SFC-17999FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1902032230 UTC (1730 LOCAL 02/03/19) UNTIL 1902040459 UTC
(2359 LOCAL 02/03/19).

EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED
BY ATC:
A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN THE 10 NMR
AREA(S) LISTED ABOVE, KNOWN AS THE INNER CORE(S),
ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: APPROVED LAW
ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT, APPROVED AIR
END PART 2 OF 7. 03 FEB 22:30 2019 UNTIL 04 FEB 04:59 2019. CREATED: 19 JAN
20:31 2019

-------------------------------------- I only copied approx 50% of the entire NOTAM - the rest deals with Commercial Flights -----------------------------

Lapeer20m · Feb 3, 2019

tleedom said:
See my posts 48 and 52 above, pretty clear what the restrictions are for these type of events.

I thought the comment is that this is a restricted area all the time. I was just clarifying that I believe this is only a restricted area when there is an active Tfr, typically on game day.

tleedom · Feb 3, 2019

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Tony Kiburis said:
FYI, this is the actual NOTAM for Super Bowl Sunday around Atlanta.
Note it is a TEMPORARY Restricted Airspace.
This was found at: https://www.notams.faa.gov
Scroll down to: DINS ARTCC Notices, TFRs and Special Notice Page and click KZTL Atlanta

FDC 9/5231 - GA..AIRSPACE ATLANTA, GA..TEMPORARY
FLIGHT
RESTRICTIONS.
FEBRUARY 3, 2019 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO 49 USC 40103(B)(3), THE
FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION (FAA) CLASSIFIES THE AIRSPACE
DEFINED IN THIS NOTAM AS 'NATIONAL DEFENSE AIRSPACE'. PILOTS WHO
DO NOT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES MAY BE INTERCEPTED,
DETAINED AND INTERVIEWED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT/SECURITY PERSONNEL.
ANY OF THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL ACTIONS MAY ALSO BE TAKEN AGAINST
A PILOT WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OR ANY SPECIAL
INSTRUCTIONS OR PROCEDURES ANNOUNCED IN THIS NOTAM:
A) THE FAA MAY TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, INCLUDING IMPOSING CIVIL
PENALTIES AND THE SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF AIRMEN CERTIFICATES;
OR
B) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES,
INCLUDING CHARGES UNDER TITLE 49 OF THE UNITED STATES CODE,
SECTION 46307; OR
C) THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MAY USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST THE
AIRBORNE AIRCRAFT, IF IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE AIRCRAFT POSES AN
IMMINENT SECURITY THREAT.
PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY
END PART 1 OF 7. 03 FEB 22:30 2019 UNTIL 04 FEB 04:59 2019. CREATED: 19 JAN
20:31 2019

FDC 9/5231 - GA..AIRSPACE ATLANTA, GA..TEMPORARY
FLIGHT
INSTRUCTIONS, ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN
AN AREA DEFINED AS 30NM RADIUS OF 334520N0842404W (ATL018007.8)
SFC-17999FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1902032230 UTC (1730 LOCAL 02/03/19) UNTIL 1902040459 UTC
(2359 LOCAL 02/03/19).

WITHIN AN AREA DEFINED AS 10NM RADIUS OF 334520N0842404W
(ATL018007.8) SFC-17999FT MSL
EFFECTIVE 1902032230 UTC (1730 LOCAL 02/03/19) UNTIL 1902040459 UTC
(2359 LOCAL 02/03/19).

Exactly what I posted above. This restriction is always in place. It doesn't have to be posted in NOTAMS to make it restricted.

The TFR was issued because the restrictions were increased from 3NM to 30NM and the altitude restriction was raised to 17999Ft.

Stadiums and Sporting Events

Flying drones in and around stadiums is prohibited starting one hour before and ending one hour after the scheduled time of any of the following events:

Major League Baseball
National Football League
NCAA Division One Football
NASCAR Sprint Cup, Indy Car, and Champ Series races

Specifically, UAS operations are prohibited within a radius of three nautical miles of the stadium or venue.

Tony Kiburis · Feb 3, 2019

I apologize, I didn't know the meaning of Tfr (Temporary Flight Restriction).
Needed to research it I haven't gotten that far into my Part 107 training.
I learned something new.
Thanks Tleedom.
Tony