Drones "Spying" on New Jersey.

[Erk1024]

That video from the "governor" is laughable. Depending on vantage point, airplanes can and do "go up and down", "pass very close to one another", "make right angle turns", etcetera.

At night, there is no such thing as distance. The viewer has no clue if those lights are 10 feet or ten miles away. I have planes flying near my house all the time, and they look like they are drones, yet are 737 and larger aircraft, with a few turbo props thrown in. They are moving so slowly they "can't be jets", right? lol

The airport is 5.7 miles from me, under 5 NM so I need clearance to launch my drone in my backyard, and the planes generally takeoff to the east, then exit the pattern to the south then turn west (the ones I can see out my living room window). They are climbing out at 250 knots, but "going so slow" they look like they are almost hovering as they turn.

Planes that are landing and coming towards the viewer with their approach lights on also appear to be hovering. They are far away and there is no sense of depth with just a light. Viewer has no frame of reference.

In one of the videos I saw, you could see two bright lights that seemed to be hovering, or descending very slowly. And I could see how someone could believe they were not planes. But of course, these were two commercial jets on approach.

 

[Chip]

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Might be making my way to NJ to see for myself; thinking about it.

ROAD TRIP! Great idea! I'm in. Here is an idea for the YT documentary title: Mavic3usa's Excellent New Jersey Adventure!

 

[CraigVMN]

I think a bunch of ardent DJI owners got together and built some non-descript drones to fly around to prove that their DJI drones aren't really a threat

 

[baronkb]

So, who is behind this nefarious plot to flood the Jersey skies with flashing lights in order to push Congress into adopting the Countering CCP Drones Bill?

Senator Stefanik? Autel? Skydio? The Tahitian drone industry? (I read on X that they have with sixteen Panamax container ships loaded with drones and anchored in international waters off Florida waiting to stock them at Best Buy.) The Ecuadorian balsa wood forestry cartel who want us to quit flying plastic? DJT Jr., now that he's a big shareholder in UMAC? The Karens Anonymous Anti-Drone League?

Who is waving that big red false flag? I assume that the flights ceased after the announcement today that the Chinese drone ban appears to be dead?

The Chinese drone ban isn't dead, just delayed for a year pending an investigation involving all federal intel agencies - DHS, FBI, NSA.

 

[Dmcvey]

Military

 

[MS Coast]

The Chinese drone ban isn't dead, just delayed for a year pending an investigation involving all federal intel agencies - DHS, FBI, NSA.

My question was "So, who is behind this nefarious plot to flood the Jersey skies with flashing lights in order to push Congress into adopting the Countering CCP Drones Bill?"

 

[jhatfield]

There's zero possibility the authorities don't know what these are.

Apparently these drones are not affected by geo-fencing, since they are over restricted areas as well as populated areas. I want to know what is their fuel system source, is it just night sightings?

 

[Capt Pete]

One person looks up and sees lights – goes on face book or whatever and then everybody’s looking up and seeing lights. I call this “the Dorothy syndrome”. Dorothy lives down the road, she’s very into conspiracy theories, believes that aliens and the government and maybe the North Koreans are constantly spying on us. And maybe she’s right! But you don’t need drones, almost every mile, acre and hector can be seen on Google Earth. The smart phones are all made in China, and they worry about drones?

There are thousands of large and small planes and helicopters flying over Metro New York and New Jersey every night from major and smaller airports in the area. I don’t fly my drone at night, it cost too much and it’s too easy to crash or lose. There are more important things to worry about in the world today: Children that won’t have food to eat tonight, my friend’s brain cancer, etc. Let’s get real!

 

[MARK (LI)]

One person looks up and sees lights – goes on face book or whatever and then everybody’s looking up and seeing lights. I call this “the Dorothy syndrome”. Dorothy lives down the road, she’s very into conspiracy theories, believes that aliens and the government and maybe the North Koreans are constantly spying on us. And maybe she’s right! But you don’t need drones, almost every mile, acre and hector can be seen on Google Earth. The smart phones are all made in China, and they worry about drones?

There are thousands of large and small planes and helicopters flying over Metro New York and New Jersey every night from major and smaller airports in the area. I don’t fly my drone at night, it cost too much and it’s too easy to crash or lose. There are more important things to worry about in the world today: Children that won’t have food to eat tonight, my friend’s brain cancer, etc. Let’s get real!

Out of all the comments on this subject....finally one with substance ... Thank you @Capt Pete for putting things into proper perspective

 

[Droning on and on...]

My question was "So, who is behind this nefarious plot to flood the Jersey skies with flashing lights in order to push Congress into adopting the Countering CCP Drones Bill?"

NXIVM.

 

[Zeprider]

Gov't? They have places like West Desert, and Dugway to test new tech. If it is gov't, and they're flying these and not acknowledging the same, it would seem nefarious. If it's kids, elementary or otherwise, and they see the news coverage, the fear of repercussion should have someone clamoring to explain this fiasco. If it's anything above and beyond that, well, that's for your imagination. 2¢ spent.

 

[JoelP]

What hobbyist can make a drone that stays aloft for such long intervals, evades signal jamming, and can evade an F16? If it were the Chinese, then why would they fly a lame balloon over us last year rather than such high-tech drones?

 

[dar1]

Dumb question --- why is there no action or discussion by local drone operators in NJ to use their camera drones to simply go up and make videos of some of these... Since they appear regularly in certain locations, how hard could that be? The camera drone could keep its distance but still confirm altitude and get shots from a number of angles to get better estimates of size, construction, etc.

 

[MS Coast]

Apparently these drones are not affected by geo-fencing, since they are over restricted areas as well as populated areas. I want to know what is their fuel system source,

Avgas and JP7 for most, electricity for the smallest ones.

 

[jhatfield]

Avgas and JP7 for most, electricity for the smallest ones.

So (Avgas or JP7) this would produce a heat signature. So an infrared camera via helicopter should be able to follow it's path even with it's lights off.

 

[Bad Santa]

Here's a fact.
Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, etc. will often not tell anyone of what they know and who they are after. They WILL often tell the public AFTER the operators are charged, but even then, not always.

Just because they aren't telling us anything doesn't mean they don't know something. In fact, the opposite is often the case.

 

[MS Coast]

So (Avgas or JP7) this would produce a heat signature. So an infrared camera via helicopter should be able to follow it's path even with it's lights off.

Combustion engines and electric engines produce heat. The fact that there's a post on social media claiming that someone with an infrared camera couldn't get an image of something they saw doesn't mean that it wasn't a normal engine.

 

[mavic3usa]

Here's a fact.
Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, etc. will often not tell anyone of what they know and who they are after. They WILL often tell the public AFTER the operators are charged, but even then, not always.

Just because they aren't telling us anything doesn't mean they don't know something. In fact, the opposite is often the case.

I think it's a little more than the officials not telling us. What they are saying is "there's nothing to see here" or "We know what you are seeing; you are seeing manned aircraft." It's pretty unusual for them to flat our lie like that if they know something else is going on which is why I don't think they really know.

The government asks you to say something if you see something. People are saying. And the government is telling them you're not seeing anything. I guess you should only say something if the government has the opportunity to get involved to jam someone up. I mean, how many times have you seen the authorities claim they got a call and this is why were are here investigating and we're not leaving until we are satisfied; always. Why not here? I'm still waiting for someone who has been on the scene eyes on to report back and tell us they saw those manned aircraft. Anyone sitting in a basement in Nebraska can tell you what they see in a video clip is nothing but a manned aircraft. I have yet to find anyone who said, I went there and all I saw with my own eyes were manned aircraft. Go outside and look up into your sky tonight and tell me how many drones you see. 99% of us will reply with "zero" and 0% of us will report a "dozen." No place in America has a dozen disperate drones in the sky at night at one time; ever.

 

[MS Coast]

More generic claims of government and police wrongdoing, UFO-flavored this time.

I mean, how many times have you seen the authorities claim they got a call and this is why were are here investigating and we're not leaving until we are satisfied; always.

I've never witnessed police misconduct like that. Perhaps you have. I'm sure there are Youtube videos documenting cases. But it's absurd to say that it happens always when the police make an investigation.

I'm still waiting for someone who has been on the scene eyes on to report back and tell us they saw those manned aircraft.

If a single anecdotal report from a single observer is all it takes to settle your worries, I'll bet someone in New Jersey is willing to step outside tonight and report back on having seen an airplane,

No place in America has a dozen disperate drones in the sky at night at one time; ever.

You can assert that as fact? You've observed that using the 24/7 ongoing monitoring of the US airspace with the Acme Universal Continental Drone Detection Network that's been deployed over North America?

 

[Berf]

The govt came out today (finally) and said they have had CONFIRMED DRONE sightings over a US base in New Jersey.

Additionally, reports are now coming in from both US and German bases in Europe of drone sightings overflying NATO bases.

This is a coordinated electronic spying attack and intelligence gathering mission.

I just can't understand why in the world we aren't shooting them down. If I flew a drone anywhere near a military base, you can bet I'd be in jail before the day was over.