Drones "Spying" on New Jersey.
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I don't have any worries to be settled except the new drone laws that are going to adversely impact all of us.
Reports of drones flying over 4 different bases in the United Kingdom have also surfaced. This is a coordinated spying effort.
On 12/07/1941 an early morning radar operator reported a wave of airplanes heading towards Pearl Harbor. The Officer in Charge dismissed the report. He thought they were not anything to worry about.........
Exactly. My Enterprise drones have a "stealth" mode where I can turn off all the lights. This sounds like one of those Facebook style hysteria stories from someone noticing 'flashing lights' in the sky. It's telling that out of 1000 reports so far today, only 100 required further study. The vast majority have been planes.
Some lawmakers talking about just shooting them down makes me fearful for our hobby in the future as well as anyone flying in an airplane or helicopter.
I find it interesting how folks that have never seen them are telling everyone else they are planes.
Apparently the military in Germany, Britain, and the US don't know what they are talking about when they confirm drone sighting over their bases. I guess those Air Force guys don't know what a plane looks like.
Stick your heads back in the sand, nothing to see here.
Apparently the military in Germany, Britain, and the US don't know what they are talking about when they confirm drone sighting over their bases. I guess those Air Force guys don't know what a plane looks like.
Stick your heads back in the sand, nothing to see here.
MARK (LI)
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I am conflicted...I have always supported the FAA and its rulings, but while watching network news on TV earlier there were pictures showing an airport in New York that was closed for a few hours because of drone sightings and some military bases here in the US and in Europe that have reported the presence of drones in what is supposed to be off limits airspace for UAS...these visuals were on the screen with text explaining the presence of drones while a voice in the background is explaining that, according to various agencies of jurisdiction, there is "no threat" or danger from these drones....so this is where my confusion takes over as I wonder; why, ....if we have rules, laws and regulations that are being violated, and there is no threat or danger and absolutely nothing is being done about it....why do we have the laws to begin with?
As I give this scenario more though, what I come to realize is that precedent is being set for anyone in the future who receives a violation for violating FAA regs to argue that the FAA is being selective in its enforcement of its own regulations, therefore I should not be prosecuted...what is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
As I give this scenario more though, what I come to realize is that precedent is being set for anyone in the future who receives a violation for violating FAA regs to argue that the FAA is being selective in its enforcement of its own regulations, therefore I should not be prosecuted...what is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
No. There's no precedent being set.
There are tons of laws that, if broken, pose no threat and, therefore, are not enforced all the time.
TONS!
Interesting points (can't say I agree or disagree with either of these except the last couple minutes from Russ are SPOT ON):
And, it didn't take long to hear about new legislation already being proposed:
And, it didn't take long to hear about new legislation already being proposed:
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Droning on and on...
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There have been real and verified drone sightings that the military has acknowledged are occurring in the area. The problem is that some folks are seeing and posting photos of aircraft which water down the legitimate reports.
Germany and UK have put troops on alert because of drones over bases there. That's pretty clear evidence these drone sightings are real. At least one airport had to be shut down already. Thats not peoples imagination.
Some people are asking if this is spying activity, then why are the drones displaying lights. One explanation could be that whatever country is doing this, they want us to see them. This could easily be a distraction from whatever the real threat is, or possibly even to send a warning message. They only turn off their lights to avoid capture, but otherwise leave them on.
Germany and UK have put troops on alert because of drones over bases there. That's pretty clear evidence these drone sightings are real. At least one airport had to be shut down already. Thats not peoples imagination.
Some people are asking if this is spying activity, then why are the drones displaying lights. One explanation could be that whatever country is doing this, they want us to see them. This could easily be a distraction from whatever the real threat is, or possibly even to send a warning message. They only turn off their lights to avoid capture, but otherwise leave them on.
Droning on and on...
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National Security isnt the only reason driving these laws, in fact not most of them. Safety and airspace management are at the root of most FAA regs.
I assume through all of this that when the DoD, FBI, or others involved with National Security say "there is no threat" they're referring to a security threat, not basic aviation safety. The safety threat exists with these drones around airports and other aircraft, which I assume was the reason for temporarily suspending flights at that airport.
As for the press conference stating there's no (National Security) threat, I don't belive them, they're gaslighting. That doesn’t mean I think there is a threat, rather that they don't know. If thry did, they'd be telling us how they know.
Yea, I'm amazed they can say there is no threat. I guess they aren't dropping bombs on us, so that's a good thing, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing some other nefarious activity that could hurt us in the future, like intelligence gathering for a foreign adversary. How can you say that is not a threat? It's a threat to our national security.
Wars are won by the side that controls the airspace. Think about that. Right now, we don't have control of our own airspace.
Wars are won by the side that controls the airspace. Think about that. Right now, we don't have control of our own airspace.
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People are starting to break out the laser pointers. It's starting to escalate and the honest, innocent manned aircraft are now going to be put at risk. Pointing a laser at an aircraft is a crime so don't do it. I understand there are all kinds of aircraft-related crimes being committed over the skies of NJ at this point but let's not add to it. However, if the FBI can't find out what is going on they probably can't find the laser pointer criminals either. This is going to be interesting; see how far people are willing to take this. 
Droning on and on...
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I am constantly reminded of that balloon that was "no threat". We were told again and again that there was nothing valuable to see from it that couldn't already be seen by satellite.
After it was shot down over the Atlantic and examined, it was discovered it was gathering sigint.
Duh.
After it was shot down over the Atlantic and examined, it was discovered it was gathering sigint.
Duh.
Dang there's a lot of fear here.
Meh.
As for the laser pointers. A standard, off the shelf, laser pointer isn't going to do squat against an object in the sky.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't people with more powerful ones out there. In fact, I have a more powerful laser that's capable of temporarily blinding a pilot from a mile away. This is why I know the following as I've followed the topic when it happened near me.
If you think they can't pinpoint where a powerful laser is originating, you're wrong. They caught the person near me. No, it wasn't me or someone I know. I just know they had a laser similar to my own.
The authorities almost always know more than what they're willing to share.
I'll add to that, a lot of times they know more, and allow it to happen more, in order to get a more concrete case against a perpetrator.
Now, some believe Roswell was space aliens. Some think the moon landing was fake. Some believe the world is flat.
People who believe conspiracies will almost never back away from their beliefs, no different than people who love their sports team. I don't know why people close their mind so easily but it happens.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. PLEASE LET IT BE ALIENS!!!
Meh.
As for the laser pointers. A standard, off the shelf, laser pointer isn't going to do squat against an object in the sky.
Now, I'm not saying that there aren't people with more powerful ones out there. In fact, I have a more powerful laser that's capable of temporarily blinding a pilot from a mile away. This is why I know the following as I've followed the topic when it happened near me.
If you think they can't pinpoint where a powerful laser is originating, you're wrong. They caught the person near me. No, it wasn't me or someone I know. I just know they had a laser similar to my own.
The authorities almost always know more than what they're willing to share.
I'll add to that, a lot of times they know more, and allow it to happen more, in order to get a more concrete case against a perpetrator.
Now, some believe Roswell was space aliens. Some think the moon landing was fake. Some believe the world is flat.
People who believe conspiracies will almost never back away from their beliefs, no different than people who love their sports team. I don't know why people close their mind so easily but it happens.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. PLEASE LET IT BE ALIENS!!!
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