Grounded due to Lack of Wisdom and Humility

[SpitFire]

I am new to flying and this forum, but one thing seems quite obvious to me in my few short weeks here. Pilots not only need to have extensive knowlege, they also need wisdom and humility. It is truly a privilege to fly unmanned aircraft in the public space and that privilege WILL BE curtailed drastically if pilots do not pay attention to the signs at hand. Here is one sign I heard on NPR just yesterday:

On Point for January 28, 2019

The other sign is the hubris I have witnessed when pilots (and I use this word reluctantly) crash their drone and then come to this forum for help with a self-righteous attitude. Time and time again I have watched experienced pilots dissect flight data of a crashed drones only to reveal that the operator was flying at an AGL 3 or 4 times higher than what is considered safe within our community. Then these seekers of help defend their blatantly poor judgment (like flying downwind in 40 MPH wind for miles) on DJI, software, wind, or __________ by asserting some modicum of experience they possess. It is a comedy of sorts but my laughter is filled with reserve.

I am thrilled by the opportunity to fly and I would hate to have it ruined by those who willingly read long threads like those in this forum and simultaneously fail to study even the basics of Aeronautics. I know this is a bit of a rant, but it does come with a few suggestions:

1. Humility is born from knowing how little you actually know, so thank your teachers and drop the self-righteousness.

2. UAS Part 107 study material is a great base of knowlege even if you do NOT want to be a commercial pilot, so start studying.

3. Knowlege is only good if your experience can manage it, so take what you have learned and test it out in the air while practicing number 1 above.

4. Managing knowlege in a crisis is challenging and requires practice, so challenge yourself in a safe place.

Fly wise, fly humble!

Very well put, I think you covered all the main points. Maybe it may help those that think they have all the knowledge.

 

[Prmath]

I am new to flying and this forum, but one thing seems quite obvious to me in my few short weeks here. Pilots not only need to have extensive knowlege, they also need wisdom and humility. It is truly a privilege to fly unmanned aircraft in the public space and that privilege WILL BE curtailed drastically if pilots do not pay attention to the signs at hand. Here is one sign I heard on NPR just yesterday:

On Point for January 28, 2019

The other sign is the hubris I have witnessed when pilots (and I use this word reluctantly) crash their drone and then come to this forum for help with a self-righteous attitude. Time and time again I have watched experienced pilots dissect flight data of a crashed drones only to reveal that the operator was flying at an AGL 3 or 4 times higher than what is considered safe within our community. Then these seekers of help defend their blatantly poor judgment (like flying downwind in 40 MPH wind for miles) on DJI, software, wind, or __________ by asserting some modicum of experience they possess. It is a comedy of sorts but my laughter is filled with reserve.

I am thrilled by the opportunity to fly and I would hate to have it ruined by those who willingly read long threads like those in this forum and simultaneously fail to study even the basics of Aeronautics. I know this is a bit of a rant, but it does come with a few suggestions:

1. Humility is born from knowing how little you actually know, so thank your teachers and drop the self-righteousness.

2. UAS Part 107 study material is a great base of knowlege even if you do NOT want to be a commercial pilot, so start studying.

3. Knowlege is only good if your experience can manage it, so take what you have learned and test it out in the air while practicing number 1 above.

4. Managing knowlege in a crisis is challenging and requires practice, so challenge yourself in a safe place.

Fly wise, fly humble!

DITTO THAT.........

 

[DesG]

utopian
u·to·pi·an
/yo͞oˈtōpēən/


1. modeled on or aiming for a state in which everything is perfect; idealistic. (emphasis mine).

Also, the second and more powerful half of Alexander Pope's quote is:

"To forgive is divine."

So, please let us all make mistakes as we humans are prone to do, and by all means bring those learning experiences to this forum for the added benefit of having many fine minds focus on solutions and growth for all of us, but please do it with humility. Additionally, if we remember that we are essentially ambassadors for this burgeoning technology and the attitudes we adopt, share, and advocate will have an impact on many others and the industry as a whole. Because of this, I personally do not view drones as toys, nor will not dismiss dangerous, ignorant, and arrogant behavior to the human condition. In this light I am pleased to be called utopian.

"Even when the air currents are ascending, no bird can soar except by outstretched wings."

Definition of 'toy' "an object that is used by an adult for pleasure rather than for serious use" (Cambridge English Dictionary)

 

[old man mavic]

Definition of 'toy' "an object that is used by an adult for pleasure rather than for serious use" (Cambridge English Dictionary)

so it all depends if you are flying commercially or for fun whether or not its a toy

 

[DesG]

so it all depends if you are flying commercially or for fun whether or not its a toy

Sounds about right. Snow coming up from Cardiff so I should get some nice pics from my living room window for tomorrow!!!

 

[old man mavic]

Sounds about right. Snow coming up from Cardiff so I should get some nice pics from my living room window for tomorrow!!!

yes i am charged up ready to get some shots if i can get out of the estate worse comes to worse if the school at the end of my street is closed i will just go out in my garden and try to get some pics should be ok as there will be very few people about i am surrounded by trees and roads here plus the fact of the closeness of the school so my ability to fly from home is restricted

 

[Clipper707]

This applies to many competencies.

 

[AMann]

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This applies to many competencies.

That must be a graph of ones who looked at the manual even briefly, the other one for non-manual readers starts out at 100% and crashes along with their UAS after the first flight attempt.

 

[Rmwac]

I am new to flying and this forum, but one thing seems quite obvious to me in my few short weeks here. Pilots not only need to have extensive knowlege, they also need wisdom and humility. It is truly a privilege to fly unmanned aircraft in the public space and that privilege WILL BE curtailed drastically if pilots do not pay attention to the signs at hand. Here is one sign I heard on NPR just yesterday:

On Point for January 28, 2019

The other sign is the hubris I have witnessed when pilots (and I use this word reluctantly) crash their drone and then come to this forum for help with a self-righteous attitude. Time and time again I have watched experienced pilots dissect flight data of a crashed drones only to reveal that the operator was flying at an AGL 3 or 4 times higher than what is considered safe within our community. Then these seekers of help defend their blatantly poor judgment (like flying downwind in 40 MPH wind for miles) on DJI, software, wind, or __________ by asserting some modicum of experience they possess. It is a comedy of sorts but my laughter is filled with reserve.

I am thrilled by the opportunity to fly and I would hate to have it ruined by those who willingly read long threads like those in this forum and simultaneously fail to study even the basics of Aeronautics. I know this is a bit of a rant, but it does come with a few suggestions:

1. Humility is born from knowing how little you actually know, so thank your teachers and drop the self-righteousness.

2. UAS Part 107 study material is a great base of knowlege even if you do NOT want to be a commercial pilot, so start studying.

3. Knowlege is only good if your experience can manage it, so take what you have learned and test it out in the air while practicing number 1 above.

4. Managing knowlege in a crisis is challenging and requires practice, so challenge yourself in a safe place.

Fly wise, fly humble!

well said

 

[JL_Ware]

I am new to flying and this forum, but one thing seems quite obvious to me in my few short weeks here. Pilots not only need to have extensive knowlege, they also need wisdom and humility. It is truly a privilege to fly unmanned aircraft in the public space and that privilege WILL BE curtailed drastically if pilots do not pay attention to the signs at hand. Here is one sign I heard on NPR just yesterday:

On Point for January 28, 2019

The other sign is the hubris I have witnessed when pilots (and I use this word reluctantly) crash their drone and then come to this forum for help with a self-righteous attitude. Time and time again I have watched experienced pilots dissect flight data of a crashed drones only to reveal that the operator was flying at an AGL 3 or 4 times higher than what is considered safe within our community. Then these seekers of help defend their blatantly poor judgment (like flying downwind in 40 MPH wind for miles) on DJI, software, wind, or __________ by asserting some modicum of experience they possess. It is a comedy of sorts but my laughter is filled with reserve.

I am thrilled by the opportunity to fly and I would hate to have it ruined by those who willingly read long threads like those in this forum and simultaneously fail to study even the basics of Aeronautics. I know this is a bit of a rant, but it does come with a few suggestions:

1. Humility is born from knowing how little you actually know, so thank your teachers and drop the self-righteousness.

2. UAS Part 107 study material is a great base of knowlege even if you do NOT want to be a commercial pilot, so start studying.

3. Knowlege is only good if your experience can manage it, so take what you have learned and test it out in the air while practicing number 1 above.

4. Managing knowlege in a crisis is challenging and requires practice, so challenge yourself in a safe place.

Fly wise, fly humble!

I agree with you 100%, I have 4 Drones, and have not crashed any of them to date, I have been lucky however on a few flights, I flew my 1st drone on day 1 over 400 ft from my jobs parking lot at night, not taking into account the wind speed, or the fact that I work at an IT company, and every building in the area has some type of Broadband signals bouncing off the building antennas, I also made the very Dumb mistake of trying to fly a Drone inside a building, where I learned that you likely want get a GPS signal from inside a building. Forums such as Mavic Pilots helps New and Veteran Flyers become better at what they do, and definitely a lot more responsible when they Fly their Drones

 

[JL_Ware]

What you say is true. The first step to being a safe and knowledgeable pilot rests with the individual. We could all open an encyclopedia and read from front to back. Does us no good unless we open the mind as well.
As a 16 year old, (1971), my car was a Plymouth Valiant with a 3 speed on the column. A speed shift always resulted in the cotter pin coming out and my hand with the shifter hitting the inside roof. My last favorite (sport car) was the 1980 Camero Z28, factory T-top, 350 4B with the scoop facing rear. For some strange reason, every time I stepped on the gas, the scoop opened and the gas gauge went down. Woke up one morning, and it was no where to be found!
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Mine had the blood red interior.
If I had known then, what I know now!

That Z-28 Brings back so many memories, I owned a 79 Pontiac Trans-AM, 6.6 Liter Olds 403 4B automatic (at the Time, California did lot allow cars over 305 cubic inch engines to be Manuals), they were great cars for their times

 

[flightlogic]

I like the original post very much. Good, well thought out expression. I earned an ATP aviator certificate in 1984. Even with decades of knowledge in aviation machines.... I got out the books and studied for 107. Don't need it at all. But, I am a firm believer that those who come before.... often have learned a thing or two. And if they are nice people, they write it down and share it. And adding the owners manual (and improved versions posted by private individuals) to my leisure reading list, helps to keep me sharp on flight characteristics and software updates. I hope the less informed don't get me regulated out of a fun endeavor.

 

[Tony Kiburis]

Well written!

Drone flying is in infancy. I feel the Recreational pilots (Part 336) just don't know the basic rules of the road.
One of my friends still insists that he doesn't have to register with the FAA; he just doesn't keep current with drone news (too busy).

I am working towards my Part 107, not to earn a living from my drone, but to be able to quickly get online authorization to fly at LAANC permitted altitudes within my local airport's controlled airspace.


Things will get better with more software tools to help all drone pilots fly safely.

 

[Scutmud]

Well written!

Drone flying is in infancy. I feel the Recreational pilots (Part 336) just don't know the basic rules of the road.
One of my friends still insists that he doesn't have to register with the FAA; he just doesn't keep current with drone news (too busy).

I am working towards my Part 107, not to earn a living from my drone, but to be able to quickly get online authorization to fly at LAANC permitted altitudes within my local airport's controlled airspace.


Things will get better with more software tools to help all drone pilots fly safely.

Give me your friends number and I can have an FAA friend reach out to him, lol

 

[Brojon]

I am new to flying and this forum, but one thing seems quite obvious to me in my few short weeks here. Pilots not only need to have extensive knowlege, they also need wisdom and humility. It is truly a privilege to fly unmanned aircraft in the public space and that privilege WILL BE curtailed drastically if pilots do not pay attention to the signs at hand. Here is one sign I heard on NPR just yesterday:
... our experience can manage it, so take what you have learned and test it out in the air while practicing number 1 above.

4. Managing knowlege in a crisis is challenging and requires practice, so challenge yourself in a safe place.
Fly wise, fly humble!

I'm really at a loss why folks feel a need to climb on a soapbox and virtue signal.
Here's the deal - everyone is responsible for themselves and like it or not some folks bend the "rules".
People will follow their inclinations and if they happen to be chaotic neutral, well... "rules" don't apply.
No amount of hand wringing and sanctimony is going to change that.

 

[GoGracefully]

I'm really at a loss why folks feel a need to climb on a soapbox and virtue signal.

Wow, thank you Brojon for teaching me a new word. My question for you is what shall we do as a society other than establish rules and advocate for the righteous observance of them in the face of contrary behavior?

Additionally, my take on your George Orwell footer quote seems to indicate that speaking to truth is to some degree a subject worthy of consideration. How do you reconcile that, with a pejorative comment about this thread?

Respectfully, GG


Virtue signalling
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values.[1] Academically, the phrase relates to signalling theory to describe a subset of social behaviors that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious.[2] In recent years, the term has become more commonly used as a pejorative by commentators to criticize what they regard as empty or superficial support of certain political views, and also used within groups to criticize their own members for valuing appearance over action.[3][4]

 

[Brojon]

See here's your mistake - you think rules can stop behavior. That's a misguided notion at best.
Even punishment can't guarantee stopping undesired behavior.
So you think that pontificating in a forum is going to do any good?
No. All that accomplishes is you feeling "good" about yourself - aka virtue signalling. If other folks chime in telling you what a great guy you are rah-rah then you get to swell with pride with all the attaboys. But absolutely zip is going to happen in the real world as a result of your sermon.

 

[GoGracefully]

Again, with all due respect, I feel good about myself regardless of this forum or any other. My experience has taught me that genuine self worth is born from a deep understanding of meanings that foster values most of us would agree are worthy. For example: being a loving and kind father, contributing to my community, and (in this case) following the basic rules that are put in place to prevent harm of innocent bystanders (like the little boys pictured in the links found in AMann's comments).

As soon as a critical mass of idealist can rally behind unifying forces such as Justice, Power, Mercy, Truth, Beauty, Goodness and Love—some call this God— then we will begin to overcome the inertia of ignorant behavior and apathetic attitudes. And yes, it starts with each and every one of us. So like this post or ignore it, I do not really need such reinforcement to know in my heart that I am speaking my highest truth.

Lastly, if "zip" is the result of sermons. Why are you still reading?

 

[Brojon]

lol - I think you just like to hear yourself talk/write/sermonize.
I'll leave you to bask in your own glow...

 

[Brojon]

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This applies to many competencies.

Trying to remember who said it but, "Fools are full of confidence while experts are full of doubt".
Pretty close.