New pilot - Disappointed

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by jeppyboi, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. jeppyboi

    jeppyboi New Member

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    Hey guys,

    I recently bought a Mavic air a couple weeks ago and I live in Sydney Australia. I have researched the rules and regulations after buying the drone and i never realized they so many restrictions. Basically most of Sydney is off limits too flying your drone. Sydney is dotted with many hospitals with helicopter landing pads which makes much of majority Sydney beaches off limits. You are not allowed to fly your drone is it weighs over 100g with a 5.5km radius of these hospitals. Even some of the national park reserves ban the flying of Drones.
    This has put me off flying my drone which is kind off a big let down. If I have only read up more on rules and regulations of flying drones in Sydney before buying, I probably wouldn't have bought one.
    Anyone Mavic pilots in Sydney with some advice? Only thing I can think is driving 45 mins to an hour to these destinations with no restrictions, which doesn't leave me with much choice.
     
  2. MrsTreat

    MrsTreat Well-Known Member

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    Research your purchases a bit more next time. Sell your new toy.
     
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  3. lmel2005

    lmel2005 Well-Known Member

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    From what you're saying, you must sell Mavic, and buy a helicopter.
    Then you can fly all over the city, and you can land wherever you want.
     
  4. hherbson

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    You could also get a Mavic Pro, and following the guides on the internet, disable all that nonsense and spyware. This may be offputting to the sheeple who never jaywalk, or drive over the speed limit, but for those of us that bristle at over-regulation, there is a sensible alternative. I accept responsibility for my actions, and place a high value on the safety of others. Those restrictions are necessary for all the ( Mod Removed) who lack any sense, but you don't seem like a( Mod Removed ).... ;-) I think if they outlawed pooping, some people would swell up and die.

    Don't let the safetycrats get you down. Pick your spots and fly cautiously. Planes and helicopters don't fly at 200' AGL unless they are landing or crashing. Flying below the height of the tallest building is usually OK, but situational awareness is key. I have flight tracker on my notebook, and watch for incoming aircraft.

    I wouldn't even consider a Mavic 2 unless they develop a successful hack to break the chains from DJI. I like their drones, but despise their business decisions. I hope you can enjoy your drone in the Peoples Republic of Sydney.
     
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  5. FlyGuy8675309

    FlyGuy8675309 Well-Known Member

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    I'd suggest OP researches the Australian drone laws a bit more. Having a heliport within 5.5km does not mean it's a NFZ....
     
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    Getting the CASA app 'Can I Fly There' will indicate the absolute NFZ's and also the area's that are warning area's, where you can fly, subject to conditions.
    You can see that it is busy, but you can, if you are smart, find somewhere to fly. (obeying Casa's rules.)
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    Zoom in a bit, and you can see that you cant fly over the Opera house or The Bridge.
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  7. eek

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    Just fly the drone and dont get caught..
     
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  8. Lake_Flyer

    Lake_Flyer Well-Known Member

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    Total ( Mod Removed ) You apparently don't know what your saying.
     
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  9. Lake_Flyer

    Lake_Flyer Well-Known Member

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    The worst 'advise' ever.
     
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  10. Drone on

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    The maps you've displayed are similar to those used in the US.
    At first, for all of us, it seems like there is no where to fly, but I see several areas you can squeeze in.

    Regarding the yellow areas, in the US, if it is actually NFZ, then DJI app will not allow you to take off. You cannot start the motors. Otherwise, we have to check a box that states we accept responsibility, then fly.
    Generally, we are locked down from class C or D airspace - airports with a control tower.

    Until I started flying a drone, I had no idea there were so many small airports in the town I live in. But, most are in class E airspace (no control tower, maybe akin to the yellow areas of your map), and DJI does not lock us down.

    Reasonably confident DJI has worked with the FAA and LAANC to better define approved airspace, which from my observation is improving regularly for drone pilots. Some believe it's the other way around. I disagree.

    Only occasionally, do I fly above 200'. Not because I have reservation of doing so, but because the video is more attractive at 125 to 150'. In the US, drones are to stay below 400', and manned aircraft above 500'. There' room for everyone.

    Ultimately, if you were to fly in Sydney for a year or more, you would want to get out of town, anyway. You will become bored with the same old, same old.

    So, I recommend you don't sell the drone, but figure out where you can squeeze in, and spread out. In time, you'll discover there are more approved areas than there are restricted areas. These may not be epic, but everyone' already seen the epic.

    Warning: Rant - I can appreciate protections for medical heliports, and commercial airports, but I don't understand why hobby airports are sacred ground. Hobby airplane pilots pose considerably more risk to society/communities, then drones do. I don't believe the Federal Transportation Safety Board has spent millions of dollars investigating a drone crash as they do annually with small manned aircraft. Why is that hobby afforded protection?

    BTW in the US, you cannot takeoff, or land in national parks, but you can fly over them. For me, they're not worth arguing over the law' fine print. Besides, as I stated previously, the epic has already been done.
     
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    In Australia you can fly near any airport that does not have a control tower, which is the vast majority. Same for heliports.

    The only requirement is that you get out of the way if you become aware of an aircraft operating from the airport/heliport. (Some heliports and busy non controlled airfield do have associated no fly zones but they are generally small) All the details are on the "Can I fly their" app published by CASA. Be very careful if you use Airmap as it can be very misleading.
     
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  13. Flymortalkless

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    I'm not from Sydney but a lot of us feel the same after purchasing an MP or other manufactured UAV with enforced NFZ's then adding local NFZ's and regs on top of it.

    There's really no way to know until after purchase so don't be so hard on yourself.

    I'd suggest try flying around first with it.
    I don't know how much experience you have but in the beginning, you're not going to wander far from your take off point. As you gain experience you'll venture farther away and higher.

    Take it slow. There's a learning curve. The MP is a decent bird to learn with. It's very forgiving. Will correct for many mistakes you'll make. If you freak out a lot of times you can just let go of the sticks and it'll level off and sit there till you recompose yourself.

    It'll give you a chance to try waypoint flying.

    Learn how to take off and land, turn, get use to orientation. And how to find and correct yourself if you lose orientation.

    It's an expensive bird to learn on but a good one.

    Once you feel comfortable, you'll have to venture out to find places to really fly. If you're already at that point in skill.

    Venture out. That's about your only recourse. Or flying the edge of NFZ's and in-between.

    They're there [NFZ's] to make you aware of them. Though DJI and others push them on you, restrict the birds capability depending on NFZ.

    I had the same reaction as you as have many others after the MP purchase.
    You envision things one way, it turns out to be another.

    You have to figure out how to use it, it you can't or it's too restricting for the flying you want to do, then consider returning it or selling it.

    But give it a try first. Don't panic over the NFZ's you're seeing. Test the waters so to speak. You may find a course you can for safely that's mindful of the regs.

    Think adventure... And a second bird without enforced NFZ's.

    Good luck
     
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    Holy cow.....
    I like the "I'll take the fine or punishment and just do what I want" attitude. But I am sure if it came down to a fine or punishment against you, You would be all "@CanyonRunVideos" on this forum.
    Its all fun and games until it effects someone badly.
     
  15. JimmyHillsChin

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    o_O

    This stupid advice could be given about anything.
    Just go shoplifting and don't get caught.
    Just drive around everywhere at 100mph and don't get caught.
    Go murder someone and don't get caught.

    It's like the Dexter rules of drone flying.....stick to the code and you'll be fine:rolleyes:
     
  16. hherbson

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    Yea, you're probably right. I pick my spots, and for the most part abide by the laws of the land, although as I get older I tend to view them more as guidelines. I'd imagine if I got a big fine, or even had my stuff confiscated it would probably leave enough of a bad taste in my mouth I'd give up drones, so I am very cautious, since I want to enjoy it for a while yet. I think this may be the golden age of drone flying. Before too long, some fool will take down an aircraft, or fall on a baby then all heck will break loose. I live on the Ohio river, but I'm not supposed to fly over the river (allegedly). I can fly on one side of a bridge, but the other side is within 5 miles of an airport (Roebling bridge in Cincinnati). I respect everyone's opinions here, and they have to live according to their own personal code. I live by the golden rule, and would be haunted for life if I killed someone with my drone, car, or cooking (I like my burgers kind of rare).

    On a different note, My neighbor a few doors down thought I was a creeper. I was flying back to my house, and the app crashed on my phone, as it typically does at least once per flight. As I was waiting for the app to reload, it was hovering over their back yard and pool at about 100 feet up. My daughter was talking to them a few weeks later and they mentioned someone with a drone spying on them. Sooooo I went to their house, and explained what had happened, but unless you use these things, what I was saying probably sounded like jibberish. He said he was about to shoot it down, and I said I probably would have done that too. Felt very sheepish about that. Now I fly straight up hundreds of feet till its silent, then zip to the area I want to film, usually nearby soy bean fields with 10 and 12 point bucks. The deer have become used to the "angry bees" sound, and I can get surprisingly close. Some of my footage would give Planet Earth a run for its money ;)

    Regards,

    Kevin
     
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  17. MiniPalourde

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    I disagree
     
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    Wait.

    Weren't we talking about flying a 1.5 pounds toy? Why the **** are you comparing it to murdering someone?

    Flying your toy won't hurt anyone.
     
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    Won't hurt no one huh .
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    And lets get this back on topic guys .
     
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  20. Davenwolf

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    I live in Australia too and I'm busting to get my hands on an Air. I recently posted a photo from my Tello 20m high and got some backlash lol. Not sure where about a in Sydney but I'd love to fly a drone up the Hawkesbury river. If you get bored or dismayed just post it to me in Bellingen. :p
     
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