UK military shooting down UAVs now...

[AeroJ]

BBC have a story today about how military personnel will be allowed to shoot down drones that are mounting incursions to RTZs and military installations in the UK.

Hard to argue with the logic of this, but of course the worry persists that these powers will be extended into non-critical situations and locations at the first possible opportunity.

I did find it quite funny they used a Phantom in the picture tho !

 

[mavic3usa]

Everyone wants to shoot down and take down drones. Once we get over the legal hurdle, next comes the how. Easy to bring down the drone flown by the honest, law-abiding citizen. The criminal culprit bent on destruction, not so much. Have fun with downing drones over parades and football games and other public events where people are just trying to get pictures and videos. That's all they wanted anyway. If we bring down drones over military bases and airports, at least we might start getting the truth about the origin and intent of the rogue drones; or maybe not.

 

[Felix le Chat]

BBC have a story today about how military personnel will be allowed to shoot down drones that are mounting incursions to RTZs and military installations in the UK.

Hard to argue with the logic of this, but of course the worry persists that these powers will be extended into non-critical situations and locations at the first possible opportunity.

I did find it quite funny they used a Phantom in the picture tho !
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Like you say, how long before anything that can be defined by the word 'infrastructure' gets the same green light, the wording of the header is the real red flag with me... how near is 'near'?

Incursion is clear: meaning over a definitive, geographically defined territorial line. Near? What does that mean? A foot from the perimeter? A hundred yards? A mile?

 

[christangey]

No big surprise, the UK has gone full Nazi for a decade now, arresting pensioners for social media posts, mounting a war on its own national flag, arresting Christians for praying in public places. This is just more to come under Keir Jung Un. But I don't have an opinion really.

 

[Cafguy]

I can envision the headlines now!... "Child killed by falling drone shot down by gate guard at Base"

 

[Ralph thompson]

No big surprise, the UK has gone full Nazi for a decade now, arresting pensioners for social media posts, mounting a war on its own national flag, arresting Christians for praying in public places. This is just more to come under Keir Yung Un. But I don't have an opinion really.

Wait ‘til FIFA World Cup 2026, you’ll see the National Guard popping drones out of the sky like Grouse on the Glorious Twelfth.

 

[anotherlab]

I can envision the headlines now!... "Child killed by falling drone shot down by gate guard at Base"

How many children do you know that are allowed to run along the inside border of a military base?

 

[Cafguy]

How many children do you know that are allowed to run along the inside border of a military base?

oh is that where it will crash? How is one to know for sure.

 

[anotherlab]

Wait ‘til FIFA World Cup 2026, you’ll see the National Guard popping drones out of the sky like Grouse on the Glorious Twelfth.

You would be more likely to see them using RID to grab the pilots on the ground and have them safely return the drone to the landing space.

It sounds impressive for a politician to announce that drones will be shot down, but that's not going to happen over a World Cup match. The risk on injury from a damaged drone coming down over a crowd out weighs the risk of the drone being overhead. Then you have all of the lawyers that were injured as they scrambled to get to the scene first.

 

[Dbez1]

When bullets are shot vertically, the law of gravity dictates they have to land somewhere. In addition to the damaged drone striking someone, there is concern about the bullet. Our Leo’s won’t shoot in the air, especially in a heavily populated area. As Anotherlab said above, they’ll use RID in non military situations.

 

[GFields]

Stay on topic folks

Stay focused on the "military bases"
And in my personal opinion, if someone is dumb enough to fly over a military base even if it's just to get pics or video, and their drone is shot down, I would not shed a tear.

 

[Capt KO]

I agree, interesting that media often goes to the easily recognizable Phantom profile for news about drones. Guess it's because that design has been used and copied throughout the industry. Bout time the media caught up to the newer smaller drone profile consumers use today. Anything bigger is Commercial or Military nowadays.

 

[mavic3usa]

I agree, interesting that media often goes to the easily recognizable Phantom profile for news about drones. Guess it's because that design has been used and copied throughout the industry. Bout time the media caught up to the newer smaller drone profile consumers use today. Anything bigger is Commercial or Military nowadays.

Many will disagree with my comment but IMO, the Phantom is more appropriate symbol when you want to depict a nefarious drone. It's the drone people will visualize when you think about a drone which is up to no good. You don't think of a Mavic or a Mini. To many, it's the first drone that actually had a camera.

 

[anotherlab]

Many will disagree with my comment but IMO, the Phantom is more appropriate symbol when you want to depict a nefarious drone. It's the drone people will visualize when you think about a drone which is up to no good. You don't think of a Mavic or a Mini. To many, it's the first drone that actually had a camera.

It's a very distinctive profile. It's a drone and it is very obvious that has a camera. If you make a profile image a newer style drone, it's harder to see the camera.

They should have left off the Phantom's service stripes on the arms, but the person who made the sign just grabbed some clipart and pasted it in.

 

[GadgetGuy]

As Anotherlab said above, they’ll use RID in non military situations.

Except no one with nefarious intent will use an RID broadcasting drone. They'll just use a pre-RID drone or make their own. The "don't be that guy" character broadcasting RID is really not a true threat, just a stupid menace.

 

[anotherlab]

Except no one with nefarious intent will use an RID broadcasting drone. They'll just use a pre-RID drone or make their own. The "don't be that guy" character broadcasting RID is really not a true threat, just a stupid menace.

Don't overlook the idiot contingent. Just because some bad actors will get around RID, doesn't mean all of them will.

No deterrent is 100% effective.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Don't overlook the idiot contingent. Just because some bad actors will get around RID, doesn't mean all of them will.

No deterrent is 100% effective.

True, but the very worst bad actors to be worried about are also intelligent.
The last thing they want to be doing is broadcasting their location while up to their nefarious activity. Dumb crooks always get caught. The smart ones, not so much, for good reasons. They don't do dumb things while doing nefarious things.

 

[Cafguy]

If that Base has Aeroscope they got all your info when you turned on the controller.

 

[anotherlab]

If that Base has Aeroscope they got all your info when you turned on the controller.

And while DJI discontinued Aeroscope 2 years ago, there are other products in that space.

Consumer drones are all broadcasting in the Wi-Fi frequency space. It's a skillset of somewhat less than rocket science needed to build a system that can detect radio transmitters broadcasting at those frequencies. With 3 base stations, you can triangulate the signals to get the location. A military base or airport can put the base stations all around the perimeter.

Aeroscope's secret sauce was being able to decipher the traffic. If you are trying to locate a rogue pilot in real time, just the location is useful. Not as simple as getting the lat/lon from the RID data stream, but not difficult either.

 

[AnzacJack]

im all for the military being able to shoot down drones flying over their airspace.

The time and resources these incursions take up at RAAF Base Amberley are ridiculus. Would save a lot of time to blast them and toss them in the bin