We Ask Again: Where Were the Drones?
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Cafguy
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DJI. The big devil they have been telling us needs to be cleansed from our country was really the only tech that the government would be able to setup and make feasible in the sorts of timeframes these drones are needed. Think of all the Matrices sitting in Government closets because of the rhetoric against DJI.
How are our politicians to save face now?… The Tech was in your hands but because you think the producer was being unfair somehow you chose to keep it under lock and key.. Good luck at the hearings………..
How are our politicians to save face now?… The Tech was in your hands but because you think the producer was being unfair somehow you chose to keep it under lock and key.. Good luck at the hearings………..
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Cafguy
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Never censor the speaker! If you think it’s hate speech Stand up against it make your viewpoint known. Just like the victim was doing. You may not agree with all of what he was saying but once again that’s what makes our country such a great place.
We used to have an analogy for our country and unfortunately It still holds true today. Here we stand looking at the water spill in the boat from the huge hole no one wants to admit to making and of course the boat will sink this time too just like it has countless times before this. In the last few years I have been finding myself ready to wash my hands of the whole mess and just watch it implode from a distance.
We used to have an analogy for our country and unfortunately It still holds true today. Here we stand looking at the water spill in the boat from the huge hole no one wants to admit to making and of course the boat will sink this time too just like it has countless times before this. In the last few years I have been finding myself ready to wash my hands of the whole mess and just watch it implode from a distance.
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I think that we're starting to get off point here. Whether or not you agreed with what Charlie Kirk had to say, and I personally didn't, but he had the right to say it.
As we head towards the midterms there's going to to be more and more politicians from both sides holding open air rallies and there will always be disturbed people from both sides who want to silence them.
As an experienced shooter myself I can tell you that for the perpetrator to have made that shot, he had to have been in position for at least 5 minutes before he pulled the trigger so the fact remains that this could have been prevented had the organizers hired a couple of drone pilots to patrol the rooftops and reported any suspicious activity to security or law enforcement.
Stuart Smith.
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As we head towards the midterms there's going to to be more and more politicians from both sides holding open air rallies and there will always be disturbed people from both sides who want to silence them.
As an experienced shooter myself I can tell you that for the perpetrator to have made that shot, he had to have been in position for at least 5 minutes before he pulled the trigger so the fact remains that this could have been prevented had the organizers hired a couple of drone pilots to patrol the rooftops and reported any suspicious activity to security or law enforcement.
Stuart Smith.
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There is a small effort underway but like everything else with the government, it will fail:
High_Order1
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As a person that has done a lot of flavors of security, including some executive protection, there's not enough money to buy a guy that has the requisite exemptions to fly over crowds and in restricted spaces like campuses, much less two of them as you suggest.
This is a real toss-up for me, because I see all the sides. I don't know that a carveout for private security to operate drones, and having some janky thing fall out of the sky and panic / negative publicity issues vs the number of people that get a rifle pointed at them is going to math out.
On another other hand, if I had the money, I am wondering if this would be a growth industry? In my state, flying a drone for surveillance purposes is highly, highly regulated (TN). (For the record, I have NEVER attempted to do any surveillance with my personal drone; it is a trainer / testbed only).
Also, without giving up sensitive information, I have a tiny amount of ISR experience, and I am not 100% certain a lone UAV is going to catch anything beyond the most low of the low-hanging fruits at an event.
Open air events have always been problematic from multiple angles. Just consider flash mobs, for example.
The more I fly, the more I realize drones aren't the panacea I envisioned them to be. Especially here in the mountains. (shrugs)
^I hear you. Know what I see? The same sort of paralysis that is preventing us for resolving the school shootings debacles. I guess it's going to be yet another hard lesson to learn while we "do nothing." Just wondering when the country is going to wake up.
But I knew this was going to happen. The way we are now, so polarized and jaded; it all started with the apathy and the indifference....it's going to create a 50 year period known as the "lost years" where we lost so much valuable time......
But I knew this was going to happen. The way we are now, so polarized and jaded; it all started with the apathy and the indifference....it's going to create a 50 year period known as the "lost years" where we lost so much valuable time......
I wondered the same thing. Drones are not that expensive and may have prevented this tragedy and many others where the shooter was on the roof. Almost all large flat buildings have white or light roofs, and a figure would be easily detected from the aerial viewpoint. If the area is too big for one drone and operator, employ more. Have a preplanned, coordinated maps for all the security, so when something happens, everybody would know exactly where the threat/problem would be, and the threat apprehended. Of course, that is just my idea and may not work in the real world.
It just makes no sense to let sufferings and death happen among our fellow humans just because their "hands are tied". We are all in this together, aren't we?
If I owned or managed a security company, drone coverage would be mandatory.
High_Order1
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the majority of guard companies struggle to keep tires and brakes and pants on their employees.
I will say, being a dedicated drone operator at a security place would be pretty sweet. Maybe in the future?
I will say, being a dedicated drone operator at a security place would be pretty sweet. Maybe in the future?
The anti-drone laws in that state or local area will block you.
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Where did you pull this from?
Orem, Utah doesn't have any drone restrictions for recreational users beyond the FAA's restrictions, and LEO are all able to fly for tracking, investigations, and search and rescue. So again, wrong information.
Side note: Utah Native here, my Aunt Ora lived in Orem. I think I was about 8 years old before I realized the city was not named after my Aunt....lol.
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High_Order1
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except for
there are few, if any private security companies with police powers
if you are getting paid to be there, you ain't recreating
and, in my state, there is a lot of legislation regulating drones.
there are few, if any private security companies with police powers
if you are getting paid to be there, you ain't recreating
and, in my state, there is a lot of legislation regulating drones.
Why would there be drones? The dude wasn't a politician. He was just a guy running his mouth. His security was his responsibility.
I think that's what we want; your own private security being able to utilize drones at your own event. However, in some states for various reason, this isn't legal or practical.
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High_Order1
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From an executive protection standpoint, UAV's would be, in a limited scope of application, be absolutely a great thing, irrespective of their political leanings. The matrix looks more at how likely they are to upset someone enough to get off their couch and come hurt them.
Far as the personal protection aspect, I'm not certain, because it's been a few years since I have had anything to do with campus public safety, but there may or may not be liabilities attached to any entity that is lawfully on campus.
Think like not putting salt out in the winter or any other foreseeable hazard.
It's also my understanding that he deliberately did not want to have high security at his events, in a personal assumption of the risk of this type of vulnerability.
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There are other considerations to think about when using a drone for this type of work. Type of drone, battery flying time, environment, weather, airspace (local air traffic), allowable AGL limits, signal interference, obstacles, operations over people, all of which we already know. All of which can effect the effectiveness of the mission.
In a wide open area, with clearance, a good camera (possibly with zoom), you could effectively fly around the crowd, or stay over surrounding buildings, without needing to operate over people. This would still allow monitoring high points, roof tops, and other suspicious areas.
In city environments you now have tall buildings limiting effective viewing of required areas and increasing a need for operations over people, communication/power lines between buildings, signal interference, VLOS, etc. This would limit viewable areas and increase the chance of missing a suspicious person or activity.
This is not surveillance in the normal sense as watching a specific person or place for an extended time. It is a SEARCH similar to looking for an escaping subject or prisoner, to prevent a crime and/or prevent loss of life. So surveillance laws would should not be in play.
In either case, use of drones for these activities can be an easy operation or a complicated one based on location and local city, county, state laws. IMHO, when an event such as these occurs the Local Law Enforcement if equipped with UAV's or depending on the speaker, a Federal agency, could and should where possible make an aerial sweep prior to, and during the event as a standard security procedure. Today many Law Enforcement agencies already have drone fleets. Of course, there will be lots of feedback. Who funds it, who is in charge, what equipment can be used, who doesn't want their toes stepped on, etc. The new BLOV rules will obviously effect these operations unless it can be modified.
For those not aware of the implications of 108, here is an important link that everyone should check out. A very important message from Vic Moss effecting ALL drone pilots.
www.facebook.com
In a wide open area, with clearance, a good camera (possibly with zoom), you could effectively fly around the crowd, or stay over surrounding buildings, without needing to operate over people. This would still allow monitoring high points, roof tops, and other suspicious areas.
In city environments you now have tall buildings limiting effective viewing of required areas and increasing a need for operations over people, communication/power lines between buildings, signal interference, VLOS, etc. This would limit viewable areas and increase the chance of missing a suspicious person or activity.
This is not surveillance in the normal sense as watching a specific person or place for an extended time. It is a SEARCH similar to looking for an escaping subject or prisoner, to prevent a crime and/or prevent loss of life. So surveillance laws would should not be in play.
In either case, use of drones for these activities can be an easy operation or a complicated one based on location and local city, county, state laws. IMHO, when an event such as these occurs the Local Law Enforcement if equipped with UAV's or depending on the speaker, a Federal agency, could and should where possible make an aerial sweep prior to, and during the event as a standard security procedure. Today many Law Enforcement agencies already have drone fleets. Of course, there will be lots of feedback. Who funds it, who is in charge, what equipment can be used, who doesn't want their toes stepped on, etc. The new BLOV rules will obviously effect these operations unless it can be modified.
For those not aware of the implications of 108, here is an important link that everyone should check out. A very important message from Vic Moss effecting ALL drone pilots.
Vic Moss
Okay, here is what y'all have been waiting for. Please, please, please, make some time this weekend to watch and read the following links. This is a comment and video put together by Pilot...
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Ralph thompson
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You make good points. As a journalist, I’ve often seen people walking on roofs while operating a drone, somehow they stand out in an otherwise static space. A figure moving around a grey roof is quite visible. Hiring a couple of well trained drone pilots to survey the area before hand and during the event could give security a warning to pause the event, keep the speaker away from or off the stage. I personally didn’t agree with Kirks POV either.
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