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Why do choppers (helicopters) "chop"?

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We're discussing drone prop noise in several threads. Got me thinking about the pulsing, rythmic chopping noise we hear from full-sized helicopters. Why?

I've been an RC helo hobbyist for a long time, even my biggest helicopters never "chopped", even with blades 2ft or more in length. Just a smooth hum.
 
I've got a Corona from back in the day. Pretty scary if you a newbie. I guess anything with a airfoil that slices the air makes a sound. Airplane wings, Helicopter blades, bullwhips, man those can be very loud. I think probably because of the size of the blades on a full scale helicopter the pitch is different because of it's size and rpm. The small drones have a different pitch than the larger one because of size and rpm, my guess anyway.
 
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And it's the coolest sound,
Blade vortex interaction air vortex between rotating blades and air vortex they create at tips which causes chopping sound
Blade slap chopping sound created as blade passes through vortex left from other blade and rotor speed significantly affects pitch and intensity of chopping sound 🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁🚁 my 2 cents worth
I got old Robbie Mosquito nitro,44inch wooden blades and never heard the chop but it nearly chop my head off , oh good old days lol(dismantled for safety)
 
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Because of the size of the rotors they travel at a much slower RPM than drone blades do. The thump you hear is the air pressure or compression every time it comes around in your direction (dopler effect) during rotation. Drone props do the same thing but at much faster rate which results in a buzzing sound. You also have 4 or more props doing it at the same time, which gives it the "bee hive" sound.
 
Because of the size of the rotors they travel at a much slower RPM than drone blades do. The thump you hear is the air pressure or compression every time it comes around in your direction (dopler effect) during rotation. Drone props do the same thing but at much faster rate which results in a buzzing sound. You also have 4 or more props doing it at the same time, which gives it the "bee hive" sound.
You got it right KB9. I have flown props/helos, and jets. Jets are nice, but love the sound of that rotor. Low freq, so it's hard to tell which direction it's coming from. I think the best rotor sound is from a Huey.
 
You got it right KB9. I have flown props/helos, and jets. Jets are nice, but love the sound of that rotor. Low freq, so it's hard to tell which direction it's coming from. I think the best rotor sound is from a Huey.
Yep, you can tell a Huey is coming. Very distinctive sound. Compared to other birds.
 
Because of the size of the rotors they travel at a much slower RPM than drone blades do. The thump you hear is the air pressure or compression every time it comes around in your direction (dopler effect) during rotation. Drone props do the same thing but at much faster rate which results in a buzzing sound. You also have 4 or more props doing it at the same time, which gives it the "bee hive" sound.

This is not making sense to my physics and engineering degrees. And they're whining like police sirens 😁

The "chop" is roughly 3-6 Hz, and those blades are spinning a lot faster than 6 rpm.

Best explanation (to me) so far is disturbance from the tips being supersonic, and/or vortex interaction fron trailing blade.
 
I did post a link which gave the answer in post #3 but I guess no one bothered to read it.

A summary from the link above which goes to an article in Aero Corner. The article link if you are interested in the rest of the info.

TLDR – Helicopters are so loud due to blade-vortex interaction. The air pressure decreases above and increases below the blades as the main rotor spins, providing upward thrust. A vortex is created to even out the air pressure, which produces sound vibrations when it hits the next blade.
 
That thump, thump sound is sooo pleasing, well at least to me. The sound though, is simple physics and results from the big blades slapping through the air. Well slapping through the air and separating the air, and as it slaps back together it creates that familiar sound, in the same way that lightning creates thunder, when it splits the air and comes clapping back together.

Of course, there is a little bit more going on than JUST that. You have other things interacting with the main rotor blades, which is the tail rotor. Since it's smaller, it turns faster but is still in synch with the RPMs of the main rotor, but I'm trying to keep things simple in an explanation.

Heuy helicopters have a very distinctive/different sound, due to less blades spinning around in that rotor plane. A Heuy only has two blades, whereby most other copters have 3-4 and some 5 blades. Unless they are the really big lifting type copters, which have more blades and of course that would be making yet a different noise. Then there is the Chinook which has a double set of 4 blades and again, yet another distinctive sound.

There is also another sound difference, such as when you have an enclosed tail rotor, or no tail rotor, like the jet copters that have a deflecting plate (called a NOTAR) which directs the jet engine blast in a variable direction, to offset the torque of the main engine turning the main rotor blade, in the same way a conventional tail rotor does. Encased tail rotors that have in effect, a duct around the tips, don't throw the air out for the main rotor to slap around and of course the NOTAR has no air being thrown around by a prop, so there is yet a different sound to those helicopter's main rotor.

A helicopter main rotor rotates quite slowly in the few hundred RPMs range, compared to a conventional fixed wing prop driven aircraft, whose prop rotates in the thousands of RPMs. Because it turns so slowly, we can actually hear the individual claps of the air coming back together again as it has been disrupted by the main rotor or the main rotor also hitting the tail rotor's messy air, being thrown off at its tips.

If you have ever been to an airshow and seen the old T-6 type aircraft and heard them in the sky, you will hear that warble sort of sound of their props too. That sound is generated in the same sort of way as copter rotor blades, but the prop is smaller of course and spins faster, so it is more of a constant whine, rather than individual thumps. Think of a slow flashing strobe, light a police light, which you can just about count, and a high-speed strobe, which almost looks like a constant light source.

The noisy sound you hear coming and going in the T-6 type piston engine powered prop, is the props turning fast and the big fat prop blades are cutting through the air, especially when pitched up, causing the prop to cavitate and the parted air, as it comes back together again, is making that slapping noise (again like thunder does, when split by lightening) then sliced apart again by the following blade.

There is too much to type out, but I hope this helps to make those still wondering, why you hear that very satisfying sound.
 
That thump, thump sound is sooo pleasing, well at least to me.

Usually when I hear it, it's one of a few different life line helicopters passing through as I used the Flight Aware app to confirm.

They have a distinctive thump that's different to other choppers in the air.

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@Cymruflyer I'm with ya, bud, I just love that sound! When I first got into RC helicopters I was disappointed they didn’t make some mini version of the thwack-thwack-thwack.

I originally got interested in helis because of the complex, fascinating mechanical linkages that control the blades. It's so cool how it works.

Most people dont know that helicopter blades change pitch as they rotate around the spin axis, depending on the position of the controls, of course. The mechanism that makes this work is crack to an engineer.

Quads are so engineering boring... 😁
 
It has to do with the relative airspeed differences between advancing blade and retreating blade, along with Reynolds numbers. The thump is the advancing blade experiencing an increase in relative airspeed as it crosses the tail boom, moving forward. The blade "flaps" ie, flexes up at the tip and also rotates around its pitch axis, "slapping" or "thumping" the air.
Not noticeable on model scale due to Re (Reynolds numbers). Also less noticeable on full scale helos with smaller or multiple blades. Huey (Bell 204B), 214 and older Cobras mostly. Our Agusta AW-139 will sorta do it when transitioning to hover a bit aggressively, but the blades are a bit narrow and the head/blade design is stiffer.
 
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