Air Sense ?

[bkushner]

So does Airsense alert you to a plane that is near where your standing or where the drone presently is?

 

[GadgetGuy]

So does Airsense alert you to a plane that is near where your standing or where the drone presently is?

If you are flying VLOS, those should be the same...

 

[bkushner]

So if I'm 3 miles VLOS it will be the same? I can actually fly 4 miles and still see my lights?

 

[GadgetGuy]

So if I'm 3 miles VLOS it will be the same? I can actually fly 4 miles and still see my lights?

§ 107.31 Visual line of sight aircraft operation.​

(a) With vision that is unaided by any device other than corrective lenses, the remote pilot in command, the visual observer (if one is used), and the person manipulating the flight control of the small unmanned aircraft system must be able to see the unmanned aircraft throughout the entire flight in order to:

(1) Know the unmanned aircraft’s location;

(2) Determine the unmanned aircraft’s attitude, altitude, and direction of flight;

(3) Observe the airspace for other air traffic or hazards; and

(4) Determine that the unmanned aircraft does not endanger the life or property of another.

(b) Throughout the entire flight of the small unmanned aircraft, the ability described in paragraph (a) of this section must be exercised by either:

(1) The remote pilot in command and the person manipulating the flight controls of the small unmanned aircraft system; or

(2) A visual observer.

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Night flight distances would be no higher than 40 feet or further than 65 feet from the VO, even with strobes on during flight.

During the day flight should not be more than 1,200 feet if you are using a VO that has not lost contact. If you are flying as a Part 107 pilot without a VO, you are required to maintain VLOS at all times but if you do look away, testing data showed that the safe flight distance was 400′ AGL and about 500′ from the responsible party watching the aircraft.

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[bkushner]

Thanks Karen. So again instead of answering a question you get a lecture.

 

[BlairAir]

It would be relatively to the drone. If it worked. I had mine in for service and decided to push the issue. Mistake. They kept the Mavic 3 and RC Pro another week, until I said enough, send it back. They left the "test flight" video on the RC Pro, which consisted of them flying up above the building, hovering and flipping Airsense from most sensitive to least, then landing. No planes anywhere. Like a fool I thought they would have an ADS-B transmitter. Seems that repair doesn't even know it doesn't work. At least not for me, since January 23rd update to V01.00.0500

If it's working for others I will push for a new RC Pro, since I'm on my 3rd Aircraft. They repaired RC Pro for disconnects- new system board, which seemed to fix it, but it still disconnects during Video/Photo transfer.

 

[Phantomrain.org]

Thanks Karen. So again instead of answering a question you get a lecture.

I have been alerted when the Plane is behind me and my drone is well over the lake, I would say based on this , it is more associated with the Controller as to the Drone from my experience.

I think that is what your asking is if the Sensor in the controller or the Drone and Im going with the Controller.

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[MA2 317]

So does Airsense alert you to a plane that is near where your standing or where the drone presently is?

Yes.

If the aircraft has an ADS-B transmitter Air sense will alert you with audio and visual cues letting you know of a aircraft nearby.

If I remember correctly, it will show the aircraft on the map along with the drone.

Not all aircraft have them so keep an eye and ear open for them when flying.

 

[Suren]

Does not work for me. No alerts at all even with a Helicopter flying within 500 meters from my drone at 90 meters high. I only see the manned AC if I open the maps, it's there but get no visual or audible warning. It's broken for a lot of us but people like me are tired of complaining. Some will come on and say its just a gimmick but its a feature sold with the drone.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Thanks Karen. So again instead of answering a question you get a lecture.

It was an answer you didn‘t like to your specious claim of VLOS at 4 miles away! VLOS does not mean you can just see the aircraft, as you were implying. You have to also be able to determine attitude, altitude, and direction of flight visually, and be able to observe other aircraft visually. Hence, Air Sense is completely unnecessary, as true VLOS, per the FAA, means, effectively means within 500 feet, so it wouldn‘t matter, whether it was the RC or the aircraft.

If you are flying beyond VLOS, as you clearly are (not judging, just clarifying), Air Sense is based upon the aircraft‘s location, as no manned aircraft is going to run into your RC located on the ground!

AirSense is still a gimmick. At best, it gives a false sense of confidence. Only larger aircraft have the necessary transmitter, and you can both see and hear those coming, even from 4 miles away! Private aviation, helicopters, crop dusters, paramotors, and other drones cannot be detected by AirSense because they lack the required transmitters, and the military aircraft turn them off.

So, even if it were working correctly, alerting you to a commercial jetliner at 3,000 feet, it’s not of much use.

 

[Phantomrain.org]

Let me say this, when the Air Sense Was Working , before one of the Updates Knocked it out , it was no gimmick, it worked nicely and Repeatedly.

I would like to confirm if the Sensor is in the drone or Controller or both. ?

One of my last Long distance Flights a few years back , before I learned that spotters were no longer allowed and a Few Conversations with the FAA

This is when it was working really nicely , now it broken.
at 6:00 minutes in Air Warning and Plane

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[wco81]

Is AirSense suppose to be in compliance with RemoteID or whatever they're imposing on drones?

BTW, speaking of regulations, the FAA is going to certify these air taxis, electric aircraft which is suppose to take people from cities to airports by air for $50, from scratch, not use the same regulations used for other commercial aircraft.

So some airlines had announced big purchases and said they'd have service by 2024.

Not going to happen now, could be years and these startups making these aircraft were caught by surprise.

Makes sense, after all they impose all kinds of restrictions on operating 0.5 kg drones in most cities.

They were really going to certify and permit aircraft which are basically large versions of consumer drones to fly over cities, carrying people, in just a couple of years?

 

[snowghost]

It was an answer you didn‘t like to your specious claim of VLOS at 4 miles away! VLOS does not mean you can just see the aircraft, as you were implying. You have to also be able to determine attitude, altitude, and direction of flight visually, and be able to observe other aircraft visually. Hence, Air Sense is completely unnecessary, as true VLOS, per the FAA, means, effectively means within 500 feet, so it wouldn‘t matter, whether it was the RC or the aircraft.

If you are flying beyond VLOS, as you clearly are (not judging, just clarifying), Air Sense is based upon the aircraft‘s location, as no manned aircraft is going to run into your RC located on the ground!

AirSense is still a gimmick. At best, it gives a false sense of confidence. Only larger aircraft have the necessary transmitter, and you can both see and hear those coming, even from 4 miles away! Private aviation, helicopters, crop dusters, paramotors, and other drones cannot be detected by AirSense because they lack the required transmitters, and the military aircraft turn them off.

So, even if it were working correctly, alerting you to a commercial jetliner at 3,000 feet, it’s not of much use.

Police turn them off too.

 

[mobilehomer]

To answer your question - drone location. Earlier this year DJI reset the sensitivity of Airsense to a much lower value. Before, it would alert to a plane that was several miles away and several thousand feet above. It still shows all traffic that is transmitting ADS-B, but only alerts those close enough for caution. In the U.S. there are many instances when manned aircraft are not required to transmit, so keep an eye and ear out for them.

 

[MA2 317]

Earlier this year DJI reset the sensitivity of Airsense to a much lower value., it would alert to a plane that was several miles away and several thousand feet above.

Thanks for sharing.

I thought I noticed a change in the behavior of the alerts recently.

I fly in class G airspace and when I flew my MA2 in the past, it would trigger a warning for a jet waaaaay above where I'm flying.

I chuckled to myself when DJI prompts me to take evasive action, "Aircraft approaching...."

.

 

[GadgetGuy]

Police turn them off too.

Indeed! They are probably looking for the drone pilot!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Thanks for sharing.

I thought I noticed a change in the behavior of the alerts recently.

I fly in class G airspace and when I flew my MA2 in the past, it would trigger a warning for a jet waaaaay above where I'm flying.

I chuckled to myself when DJI prompts me to take evasive action, "Aircraft approaching...."

.

Exactly! Kind of fun to know, but useless, when you are under 400 feet, and they were at 5,000 feet! Unless they are at under 1000 feet, and descending rapidly, the "evasive action" is you are already under 400 feet, assuming you are even on a collision course in a two dimensional world, where aircraft are properly always separated by the third dimension of elevation. Again, more of a gimmick than a useful feature. If you are truly on a collision course, you will see and hear them even at 3-4 miles away, whether they have the necessary transponders or not!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Let me say this, when the Air Sense Was Working , before one of the Updates Knocked it out , it was no gimmick, it worked nicely and Repeatedly.

I would like to confirm if the Sensor is in the drone or Controller or both. ?

One of my last Long distance Flights a few years back , before I learned that spotters were no longer allowed and a Few Conversations with the FAA

This is when it was working really nicely , now it broken.
at 6:00 minutes in Air Warning and Plane

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The sensor is obviously in the aircraft, not the RC. In your video, your drone and the detected aircraft were in no chance of being on a collision course. It was way off in the distance, taking off away from you, and several thousand feet above your drone. You were over water at 254 feet, and not on any flight line of airport that would have been a red NFZ. Even at 2 miles away, you would have seen and heard it, had you been on a collision course. If you were within the current VLOS requirements cited above in Post #4 (500 feet realistically), you would have been physically aware of it long before it became a problem, and would only have needed to descend with your invincible wetsuit to land on the water!

Everyone else would just have to hover over the water, and run for home!

 

[UAVquadman]

Thanks Karen.

§ 107.31 Visual line of sight aircraft operation.​

(a) With vision that is unaided by any device other than corrective lenses, the remote pilot in command, the visual observer (if one is used), and the person manipulating the flight control of the small unmanned aircraft system must be able to see the unmanned aircraft throughout the entire flight in order to:

(1) Know the unmanned aircraft’s location;

(2) Determine the unmanned aircraft’s attitude, altitude, and direction of flight;

(3) Observe the airspace for other air traffic or hazards; and

(4) Determine that the unmanned aircraft does not endanger the life or property of another.

(b) Throughout the entire flight of the small unmanned aircraft, the ability described in paragraph (a) of this section must be exercised by either:

(1) The remote pilot in command and the person manipulating the flight controls of the small unmanned aircraft system; or

(2) A visual observer.

=====

Night flight distances would be no higher than 40 feet or further than 65 feet from the VO, even with strobes on during flight.

During the day flight should not be more than 1,200 feet if you are using a VO that has not lost contact. If you are flying as a Part 107 pilot without a VO, you are required to maintain VLOS at all times but if you do look away, testing data showed that the safe flight distance was 400′ AGL and about 500′ from the responsible party watching the aircraft.

=====

How Far Can I Legally Fly My Drone and Maintain VLOS? - Ask Steve - Public Safety Flight

Here is a question I get on a regular basis. Question: How far can we fly our drone at the incident scenes and how far beyond the line of sight can we go? Answer: You would think there would be a simple answer to this question. There actually is but the facts get clouded with ... Read more

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we all must follow the FAA rules just like we should never go over the speed limit. Meaning... they are just as important as each other.

 

[bravezoo63]

I flew my Mavic 3 several times over the recent holiday weekend. Because of the higher than usual July 4th commercial traffic my Airsense map looked like an air traffic controller's monitor! I was receiving transponder signal from commercial jets as far away as 100,000 ft distance (19.2 miles) and 37,000 ft altitude (7 miles). The capabilities of the M3 never cease to amaze me.