At the risk of upsetting some people......

[Peterson]

I have experienced the same issue but it is only noticeable when I am at the edge of my drones ability to receive commands. Bring it back in closer to my position and the problems seems to go away. I have always chalked it up to flying the drone beyond the ability of the hardware to keep up with transmission times. It always stopped when I moved or brought the drone closer to my transmission location. Actual distance was not a factor it was the ability of the drone to receive a clear signal at any distance where interference caused degradation of signal strength. For what it's worth.

 

[Texbow]

Lots of good information given. I can see that I need to brush up on frame rates and rendering impacts.

 

[JoeBoy]

Actually everything on YouTube is not 30 FPS. YouTube now allows the play back to be the same as it was rendered. You are correct that In TV there are two standards NTSC (29.97) and PAL (25) but 24 FPS is universal for film and many YouTube videos are now in this frame rate as well.

To check this out (for those that have never seen it) - after starting a YouTube video (even those embedded on this thread) Right Click on the playback and at the bottom click "Stats For Nerds" and you will see the details of the video. Pay close attention to the second line - Viewport/Frames - and as the video plays, make sure you don't see any dropped frames as these are definitely going to be skips in the video. Below that on the third line you will see Current/Optimal Res and at the end of that you will see frame rate.

It is important to note that this 'Frame Rate' is the frame rate that the video was rendered at (if edited in an NLE) or, if straight out of the camera, that it was shot at. Where I think a lot of people induce problems is they shoot at one rate and render in another. For instance if you shoot at 25 FPS and then bring it into an editor on a timeline that is running 30 (29.97) there will be problems.

You're absolutely right. He did start explaining to me about the rendering issues as well, but in truth he lost me and I couldn't explain it here if I tried!

 

[Twocalf]

Peregrine: Do your raw mp4 files played on a "good" computer (fast video card and processor) also stutter or is it manifesting itself after rendering out your video? To me it looks like a rendering issue. I know that my own M2P raw clips (I almost always shoot in 4k) look way better than anything I render out. I have seen latency issues on the 1080 SC screen while filming but they don't show up on the raw clips.

 

[Harro]

Have you tried a faster shutter speed? Flying at 30 m.p.h (44 feet per second if I remember correctly), and a shutter speed of 1/50 sec, you will have traveled close to 9 feet or approximately 2.5 m whilst the shutter is open. This I suspect will produce motion blur and possibly some stuttering. The faster the shutter speed, e.g. 1/200 sec, will result in a clearer picture, but your depth of field will be markedly reduced. I suggest you try a faster shutter speed and see the results.

 

[SafetyOne71]

..... is the Mavic 2 range trying to punch above it’s weight? Let me explain: I recently posted a thread concerning jerky footage. I wanted to know what I was doing wrong, and what I could do to improve things. I had a few very helpful suggestions. But nothing really made any difference to the results I was getting.

So, I turned to YouTube, as one does. I have watched a myriad of videos, many from established drone specialists. And most offering many handy hints and tips. But I have to say that I came away extremely disappointed. Whilst there are some wonderful compositions, and subject matter, and pin-sharp images, often well colour-graded. Some superb talent out there, offering some incredible creativity. But virtually every film I watched was less than smooth.

Yes,, even amongst the “Pros” I am still looking at jerky footage for the vast majority of footage out there. I’m not talking about clumsy finger-work, I’m talking about the hardware struggling to keep up with what’s being asked of it. I never had the problem with the original MP.

And no-one seems to consider it an issue. Is everyone so used to it that they no longer see it? I could link a multitude of videos to look at, but I don’t want to appear disrespectful of people’s work. As I said, most of it is beautifully composed, and shot with great technique. But the underlying problems are ruining things.

I cannot post anything of mine at present, because I can capture very little due to the lockdown currently in place. It’s just little hops above the house, a bit of a pan round and back again.

I am going to try recording at 2.7k and see if this brings about the smoothness that is so badly lacking. But that is not really the solution I was hoping for, having shelled out a pretty heavy sum for the benefits of 4k.

If I have come across as being unappreciative of people’s talent that couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m not having a pop at anyone at all. I am in awe of what folk are capable of. But I’m certainly not in awe of the M2 range at present. Sure, it has many tricks up it’s sleeve, but smoothness of footage has to be the cornerstone of everything else, surely?

These are not high priced professional photovidiographic drones. There are too many electronic, physical and environmental variables the drone cannot completely resolve. There are various edifications that can be completed and various environmental conditions you will learn not to fly in that will improve the quality, but it will never solve the over all issues we all face.
If you want a cinematic drone you will have to pay dearly for it.
Best wishes on your search and fly safely.

 

[Aaron24]

Here is some footage I did last year in Coolgardie, a few hundred KM’s from where I live. Mavic 2 Zoom. 4K 29.97 frames per second. Rendered in the same with PowerDirector 16. I think one of the keys to smooth footage has to be slow panning if you want nice smooth footage.

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[Thomas B]

An informative and interesting look at a mining town. Especially enjoyed the views of those huge open pit mines. I don’t usually watch vids this long, but enjoyed yours. Kudos!

 

[Aaron24]

An informative and interesting look at a mining town. Especially enjoyed the views of those huge open pit mines. I don’t usually watch vids this long, but enjoyed yours. Kudos!

Thanks for your kind words. ?

 

[Greekislandlover]

It is important to note that this 'Frame Rate' is the frame rate that the video was rendered at (if edited in an NLE) or, if straight out of the camera, that it was shot at. Where I think a lot of people induce problems is they shoot at one rate and render in another. For instance if you shoot at 25 FPS and then bring it into an editor on a timeline that is running 30 (29.97) there will be problems.

Exactly what I was saying above. I had some really choppy footage until I started rendering in what it was shot at.

 

[FoxhallGH]

I watched this video earlier,

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and it gives an extreme example of the problem I’m referring to at 1:59, a low level skim-over of some plants. But, if you watch the video in it’s entirety, the problem manifests itself, to a lesser degree, through nearly every shot. And the video has everything else going for it - stunning locations, incredible subject matter, very well crafted shots, wonderful colour, pin-sharp focus. In fact, the person did an incredible job, but was let down by the equipment. And, as I said before, my old MP didn’t do this.

I'm wondering if the particular problem outlined here is due to the post-flight edit. The flight over the plants (@ 1:59) could have been done at a higher speed than was desirable, and the person putting this video together may have slowed that piece in edit so it didn't just look like a blurry field of dots. If that was done and the original video was standard 30fps, then it would start to look a bit jerky ...

 

[GadgetGuy]

..... is the Mavic 2 range trying to punch above it’s weight? Let me explain: I recently posted a thread concerning jerky footage. I wanted to know what I was doing wrong, and what I could do to improve things. I had a few very helpful suggestions. But nothing really made any difference to the results I was getting.

So, I turned to YouTube, as one does. I have watched a myriad of videos, many from established drone specialists. And most offering many handy hints and tips. But I have to say that I came away extremely disappointed. Whilst there are some wonderful compositions, and subject matter, and pin-sharp images, often well colour-graded. Some superb talent out there, offering some incredible creativity. But virtually every film I watched was less than smooth.

Yes,, even amongst the “Pros” I am still looking at jerky footage for the vast majority of footage out there. I’m not talking about clumsy finger-work, I’m talking about the hardware struggling to keep up with what’s being asked of it. I never had the problem with the original MP.

And no-one seems to consider it an issue. Is everyone so used to it that they no longer see it? I could link a multitude of videos to look at, but I don’t want to appear disrespectful of people’s work. As I said, most of it is beautifully composed, and shot with great technique. But the underlying problems are ruining things.

I cannot post anything of mine at present, because I can capture very little due to the lockdown currently in place. It’s just little hops above the house, a bit of a pan round and back again.

I am going to try recording at 2.7k and see if this brings about the smoothness that is so badly lacking. But that is not really the solution I was hoping for, having shelled out a pretty heavy sum for the benefits of 4k.

If I have come across as being unappreciative of people’s talent that couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m not having a pop at anyone at all. I am in awe of what folk are capable of. But I’m certainly not in awe of the M2 range at present. Sure, it has many tricks up it’s sleeve, but smoothness of footage has to be the cornerstone of everything else, surely?

I'm sure you have heard of pilot error. This sounds like a case of operator error. The highest 4K frame rate on the M2 is 30fps. If you think you really need 60fps, then record in 2.7K. However, if you learn to yaw very slowly, and set up the aircraft to do so, you will find that shooting in 4K at 30fps can be just as smooth as 60fps. You need practice. Professional cinematography takes place at only 24fps. Yet, somehow, they manage to make it look smooth while panning. The key is doing it slowly enough. Rather than complaining, learn how to improve YOUR technique!

 

[GadgetGuy]

But that’s kind of my point..... It’s not just my problem. I’m seeing it everywhere. And yes, I could find ways of minimising the effect in post, but if any animals or people are in shot then it’s Charlie Chaplin time.

The old video I posted was just shot, and edited, in real-time. A workaround wasn’t needed.

You were also flying at several hundred feet in your video, instead of at 10 feet off the ground, in the one you are complaining about. Huge difference!

 

[GadgetGuy]

Actually everything on YouTube is not 30 FPS. YouTube now allows the play back to be the same as it was rendered. You are correct that In TV there are two standards NTSC (29.97) and PAL (25) but 24 FPS is universal for film and many YouTube videos are now in this frame rate as well.

To check this out (for those that have never seen it) - after starting a YouTube video (even those embedded on this thread) Right Click on the playback and at the bottom click "Stats For Nerds" and you will see the details of the video. Pay close attention to the second line - Viewport/Frames - and as the video plays, make sure you don't see any dropped frames as these are definitely going to be skips in the video. Below that on the third line you will see Current/Optimal Res and at the end of that you will see frame rate.

It is important to note that this 'Frame Rate' is the frame rate that the video was rendered at (if edited in an NLE) or, if straight out of the camera, that it was shot at. Where I think a lot of people induce problems is they shoot at one rate and render in another. For instance if you shoot at 25 FPS and then bring it into an editor on a timeline that is running 30 (29.97) there will be problems.

Also, any video shot on the M2P in 4K Is at most 30fps, not 60fps as the poster you are replying to assumed.. 60fps is only available in 2.7K and below on the M2.

 

[Horus303]

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but have you tried post processing stabilization in premiere or the equivalent?
Obviously there are hardware and technique issues that should be ya Klee first and Im not going to reiterate what many people have already mentioned above but if you have all that set up right and still find the footage shalt may be it’s time to post process a bit. Render in a lower resolution so you the final results look smooth

 

[Twocalf]

Here is some footage I did last year in Coolgardie, a few hundred KM’s from where I live. Mavic 2 Zoom. 4K 29.97 frames per second. Rendered in the same with PowerDirector 16. I think one of the keys to smooth footage has to be slow panning if you want nice smooth footage.

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Here is some footage I did last year in Coolgardie, a few hundred KM’s from where I live. Mavic 2 Zoom. 4K 29.97 frames per second. Rendered in the same with PowerDirector 16. I think one of the keys to smooth footage has to be slow panning if you want nice smooth footage.

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Aaron24: From my perspective your video was nice and smooth! A few minor bobbles on a turn or two but all in all, very good flying and gimbal control! I've noticed that my MP2 sometimes "wobbles" slightly from side to side when flying forward at moderate speeds despite any stick movement from me. I don't know if it is due to complex torque vectors arising from differing power applied to each motor causing it to weave or what. It is much less noticeable to me in Tripod mode but often that's too slow for a big landscape shot.

As a mining guy I really enjoyed seeing Coolgardie as you presented it! The first pit you showed is Lindsays Gold Mine just northeast of town. The second, long, slender pit southeast of town is the Rose Hill Mine. It's kind of "cool" to look at the area from high above in Google Earth. You can distinctly see the northwesterly trend of the mineralized zones that the two mines were exploiting. Both mines line up on a shear zone. Neat stuff!

 

[Peter.smith]

..... is the Mavic 2 range trying to punch above it’s weight? Let me explain: I recently posted a thread concerning jerky footage. I wanted to know what I was doing wrong, and what I could do to improve things. I had a few very helpful suggestions. But nothing really made any difference to the results I was getting.

So, I turned to YouTube, as one does. I have watched a myriad of videos, many from established drone specialists. And most offering many handy hints and tips. But I have to say that I came away extremely disappointed. Whilst there are some wonderful compositions, and subject matter, and pin-sharp images, often well colour-graded. Some superb talent out there, offering some incredible creativity. But virtually every film I watched was less than smooth.

Yes,, even amongst the “Pros” I am still looking at jerky footage for the vast majority of footage out there. I’m not talking about clumsy finger-work, I’m talking about the hardware struggling to keep up with what’s being asked of it. I never had the problem with the original MP.

And no-one seems to consider it an issue. Is everyone so used to it that they no longer see it? I could link a multitude of videos to look at, but I don’t want to appear disrespectful of people’s work. As I said, most of it is beautifully composed, and shot with great technique. But the underlying problems are ruining things.

I cannot post anything of mine at present, because I can capture very little due to the lockdown currently in place. It’s just little hops above the house, a bit of a pan round and back again.

I am going to try recording at 2.7k and see if this brings about the smoothness that is so badly lacking. But that is not really the solution I was hoping for, having shelled out a pretty heavy sum for the benefits of 4k.

If I have come across as being unappreciative of people’s talent that couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m not having a pop at anyone at all. I am in awe of what folk are capable of. But I’m certainly not in awe of the M2 range at present. Sure, it has many tricks up it’s sleeve, but smoothness of footage has to be the cornerstone of everything else, surely?

It is always a question of you get what you pay for. You bought a Volkswagon and want it to perform like a Ferrari?

 

[mreloc]

OP- this limitation, characteristic is exactly why I sold my M2P. I think it comes down to the limited capability of 4K and 30 FPS. I'm waiting for my EVOII Pro that can do 4k/60 or 2.7k/120 that will hopefully improve on the stuttering front (and probably introduce a whole host of issues the Mavic 2 doesn't have )

 

[FlyingBliss]

Warp Stabilizer on Adobe Premiere Pro will solve this issue.

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[Troy.Spark]

This was the first thing I noticed when I got my M2Z I when into the controller settings and adjusted the stick response down and how fast it ramps up the response it completely when from darting around like a bee to new steady pans elevation shots.