Can you?? Fly to 5000 feet??
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Around 80 newtons if it was a direct impact, assuming a total stop time of .25 seconds, not accounting for forward movement of the stuck surface.
Pretty interesting stuff. Assuming you are a part 107 pilot and you spring the hundreds of dollars for the Transponder that the FAA is going to demand. not to mention the parachute (the FAA certified chute) that will probably be required.
If what you are doing could be done any other way, I don't see you getting permission BUT good luck all they can do is say no.
and anyone that would attempt this without permission deserves everything the FAA can deal out to them.
I would say come out here to the desert and apply to do it!
Just may happen if you go out far enough!
I know a guy that made a video (with the proper paperwork) of him flying his drone miles away from himself as his buddies followed it in a dune buggy. lol
If what you are doing could be done any other way, I don't see you getting permission BUT good luck all they can do is say no.
and anyone that would attempt this without permission deserves everything the FAA can deal out to them.
I would say come out here to the desert and apply to do it!
Just may happen if you go out far enough!
I know a guy that made a video (with the proper paperwork) of him flying his drone miles away from himself as his buddies followed it in a dune buggy. lol
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Droning on and on...
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The thing is, your mavic's ground speed capability is irrelevant. What matter is the relative speed of the impact, which will be over 100 mph depending on the other aircraft, and very likely will be several hundred mph.
I understand....good point
part of my thinking wasn't about a 2 pound drone traveling 5000 feet above the ground, but rather hitting a person on the ground. Sure seems like some posters in this forum are way too dismissive of the damage a drone could do
20/20 vision provides acuity to see something as small as 5 arcminutes, or 0.08 degrees.
A 4' ring at a mile is 0.04 degrees. Thus, invisible as anything but a point to a typical observer. 7x binocs will bring the ring into view - but not by much: a mile of sea level atmosphere just isn't that stable. A 4' ring isn't large enough to be useful.
A bright strobe light on the bottom of the aircraft will be much easier to mark the location. Or even the landing light most DJI drones have. I'd avoid anything that adds area to the drones flight surfaces, winds aloft are seldom as calm as surface winds.
Years ago I reported on a couple strobes I tried. One of them was visible to three miles at night, and I could almost use it during the day out to about 1000' - any farther and it too vanished into the background.
Then, in retrospect, a person can see a candle flame a mile away on truly dark nights. So it comes down to what exactly is to be proved or disproved.
A 4' ring at a mile is 0.04 degrees. Thus, invisible as anything but a point to a typical observer. 7x binocs will bring the ring into view - but not by much: a mile of sea level atmosphere just isn't that stable. A 4' ring isn't large enough to be useful.
A bright strobe light on the bottom of the aircraft will be much easier to mark the location. Or even the landing light most DJI drones have. I'd avoid anything that adds area to the drones flight surfaces, winds aloft are seldom as calm as surface winds.
Years ago I reported on a couple strobes I tried. One of them was visible to three miles at night, and I could almost use it during the day out to about 1000' - any farther and it too vanished into the background.
Then, in retrospect, a person can see a candle flame a mile away on truly dark nights. So it comes down to what exactly is to be proved or disproved.
When planning for a hop at higher altitudes, it’s important to keep in mind a few key factors. Winds aloft are generally stronger than surface winds and can vary significantly. Additionally, the temperature lapse rate plays a role—battery performance decreases as temperatures drop, and in a low dew point, stable air mass, the outside air temperature at 5,000 feet can be 20-30°F lower than at ground level. This can impact both your flight planning and your drone’s performance.
If you’re considering a mission at 5,000 feet, ask yourself: what are the mission parameters? Are you looking to capture a specific shot from altitude, or do you need footage of both the climb and descent? Keep in mind that battery power will likely be limited after the climb, leaving you with reduced options to hover or orbit once you’re up there.
If it’s just about capturing a specific shot, here’s a practical tip: consider reaching out to a local flight school. For around $200, you can book a discovery flight and share your vision with the instructor. It’s an easy, completely legal solution, and you’ll have the added benefit of a professional pilot managing the altitude and flight path, so you can focus on getting the perfect shot—no muss, no fuss!
If you’re considering a mission at 5,000 feet, ask yourself: what are the mission parameters? Are you looking to capture a specific shot from altitude, or do you need footage of both the climb and descent? Keep in mind that battery power will likely be limited after the climb, leaving you with reduced options to hover or orbit once you’re up there.
If it’s just about capturing a specific shot, here’s a practical tip: consider reaching out to a local flight school. For around $200, you can book a discovery flight and share your vision with the instructor. It’s an easy, completely legal solution, and you’ll have the added benefit of a professional pilot managing the altitude and flight path, so you can focus on getting the perfect shot—no muss, no fuss!
A good cfi will even let you open the windows and hang your camera out (if said camera strap is firmly around your neck); but unless you are renting time in a helio-whapper for this, the flight can't be vertical.
If I just wanted a shot from an airplane, I'd just make a phone call or even send a text message.
There's a timing factor. A window of time that's about 8 minutes.
And it would be imperative, for the purposes of the "mission" to go from ground to 5000 feet with an eye witness.
Any effort to get the shot with a separation of witness will nullify the entire demonstration.
A drone, helicopter, or rocket are the only possible devices for this.
A rocket is fast enough but unreliable of actual altitude without a lot of expensive devices.
A helicopter might be too slow. But the altimeter is accurate.
A drone with a climb rate of 15m/s is the most adequate device.
There is one other option that's less than desirable for a lot of reasons (still seems more dangerous than a drone flight) and that is to do the demonstration in reverse. But that would require someone jumping out of an airplane and freefalling at least 4000 feet (since no parachute is going to allow a 15m/s drop) under the least ideal circumstances.
There's a timing factor. A window of time that's about 8 minutes.
And it would be imperative, for the purposes of the "mission" to go from ground to 5000 feet with an eye witness.
Any effort to get the shot with a separation of witness will nullify the entire demonstration.
A drone, helicopter, or rocket are the only possible devices for this.
A rocket is fast enough but unreliable of actual altitude without a lot of expensive devices.
A helicopter might be too slow. But the altimeter is accurate.
A drone with a climb rate of 15m/s is the most adequate device.
There is one other option that's less than desirable for a lot of reasons (still seems more dangerous than a drone flight) and that is to do the demonstration in reverse. But that would require someone jumping out of an airplane and freefalling at least 4000 feet (since no parachute is going to allow a 15m/s drop) under the least ideal circumstances.
More than a personal opinion; the kind of thing that can result in MORE drone regulations for the rest of us. Then, there are the fines, etc from the FAA for intentionally ignoring the rules.
GregS
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As a Part 61 Commercial Pilot I would say you definity should not fly that high. You cannot see your drone at at 5,000'. There are definitly planes flying at that altitude. Could ruin someones whole day.
Droning on and on...
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This is easy for me.
The risk of causing a catastrophe and killing someone is not zero.
I could not live with myself if something happened. It's not overweening dictatorial control that's the reason consumer drones are prohibited up there.
BTW, to be very clear I'd love to do this too. If there was a zero risk way to do it, I'd be at the front of the line.
Every time I fly any one of my drones, there is absolutely zero risk anyone's going to die. ZERO. I wouldn't ever fly anywhere in any way where that risk is >0. Again, gotta live with myself.
The risk of causing a catastrophe and killing someone is not zero.
I could not live with myself if something happened. It's not overweening dictatorial control that's the reason consumer drones are prohibited up there.
BTW, to be very clear I'd love to do this too. If there was a zero risk way to do it, I'd be at the front of the line.
Every time I fly any one of my drones, there is absolutely zero risk anyone's going to die. ZERO. I wouldn't ever fly anywhere in any way where that risk is >0. Again, gotta live with myself.
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Why can't people understand the entire "permission from the FAA" aspect?
This would allow a TFR* around the area.
Any plane should NOT be in the area at that time.
(I'm only addressing that part at the moment. Not the VLOS sight issue)
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This would allow a TFR* around the area.
Any plane should NOT be in the area at that time.
(I'm only addressing that part at the moment. Not the VLOS sight issue)
*Edited for semantics
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I guess because I’ve been climbing to 5000 and beyond for sixty plus on practically a daily basis I’ve lost the enthusiasm.Some people are so strongly motivated to climb El Capitan they actually do it
Others ask the above question
It's like debating whether pistachio ice cream is good or not. Debating subjective motives is always fruitless, and pointless.
MARK (LI)
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only authorized entities like government agencies, law enforcement, or military commands can request a "no fly zone"
If you watch this FAA video and pay close attention starting at 29 seconds you will get your answer from the horse's mouth
If you watch this FAA video and pay close attention starting at 29 seconds you will get your answer from the horse's mouth
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Droning on and on...
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Well, climbing to 5000ft in an airplane and scaling El Cap with climbing gear are a scosche different
Made plenty of trips to 5000ft and more back when I had a current ticket. Decades ago. Couldn't pass the medical these days...
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