I just watched this segment about drones on Fareed Zakaria on CNN. He said the main reason China is way ahead of the US in commercial drone use, is the US has too many drone regulations. He mentioned that we just relaxed the LOS rule a little. China is delivering packages, fertilizing fields, and doing many other commercial applications. Pretty soon they will be using them for transportation. But the US is way behind because of the FAA.
China ahead of US in drone use
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Thanks for sharing!
Hopefully we get to where we need to be soon, but safely.
We do some of what the tweet says. We do spray crops (With a somewhat pain to get Part 137 and some state certs) and we do have drones saves lives (COAs and waivers allow public safety to now fly BVLOS and over people pretty easily).
Our package delivery is just getting started and is active in some areas, but Part 108 should supercharge this when it finally comes out.
We are also behind on American companies offering lower cost drones that can do a lot of these things as well as companies such as DJI and Autel (To an extent), but there are some companies that have decent but higher costing products.
Our "flying cars" are also about to become more mainstream. Joby and other companies have prototypes out.
It's an exciting time in drones and I love reading, watching and being a part of it.
Hopefully we get to where we need to be soon, but safely.
We do some of what the tweet says. We do spray crops (With a somewhat pain to get Part 137 and some state certs) and we do have drones saves lives (COAs and waivers allow public safety to now fly BVLOS and over people pretty easily).
Our package delivery is just getting started and is active in some areas, but Part 108 should supercharge this when it finally comes out.
We are also behind on American companies offering lower cost drones that can do a lot of these things as well as companies such as DJI and Autel (To an extent), but there are some companies that have decent but higher costing products.
Our "flying cars" are also about to become more mainstream. Joby and other companies have prototypes out.
It's an exciting time in drones and I love reading, watching and being a part of it.
If you watch the video, you see Fareed Zakaria says the US might ban DJI drones by the end of the month on national security grounds. It's hard for American companies to match China's low cost of labor making small drones.
Cafguy
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Its not possible to build a Drone in the U.S. that could match the price of a DJI. we cant get the raw materials to produce them in great numbers and if we could these Drones would cost a fortune! American workers are EXPENSIVE and thanks to the U.S. Government not only must you pay a fair wage, You are on the hook for healthcare. I think the very fact that DJI has pulled out of selling Drones in the U.S. will set the flying car thing back about 10 years!
Flying cars weren't a good idea back in the 1950s when Popular Mechanics (or whomever) predicted the advent of flying cars, and the idea hasn't improved with age. We should hope that such contrivances never become common. Try to imagine the skies over Los Angeles or any other major city if every cowboy with money to burn bought one and took to the air. Even with safeguards such as built-in strategic deconfliction (an obtuse term borrowed from the draft of Part 108), air traffic would be a nightmare, and I suspect that large, heavy things and their precious human cargo would be falling out of the skies with monotonous regularity.
Prospect62
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The CCP also gives no f**ks about the safety of their citizenry.
Now, could the FAA relax a little while at the same time getting their act together with this stuff? Yes.
But safety and responsible flight comes first. Hank touched on it. Commercial and military air traffic safety is paramount and regulating what some goofball on the ground can do is key. Unfortunately, like everything else, there's too many cooks in the sUAS kitchen in Washington.
Now, could the FAA relax a little while at the same time getting their act together with this stuff? Yes.
But safety and responsible flight comes first. Hank touched on it. Commercial and military air traffic safety is paramount and regulating what some goofball on the ground can do is key. Unfortunately, like everything else, there's too many cooks in the sUAS kitchen in Washington.
100% true. China, a communist country is pro buisness, and the US, a capitalist country is antibuisness. I do think we can get the raw materials. Plus America has a 15% total payroll tax for social security. Even American companies who sell drones have them built in China.
Western workers tend to be more expensive simply because the relative costs of living are higher in the western world. As for social security, that is complicated but allows companies to pay below living cost wages which is topped up by social security. Whether those companies have a profitable business model is questionable as they are really being allowed to make a profit by being subsidised by the social security collected from others.
Our Government has been regulating us beyond belief for many years, and someone keeps saying we're still a "Free' Country. 
That depends how much money you have and how much you are prepared to pay to make restrictions to not apply to you!
C'mon man, get a grip. You have it pretty darned good. Most of the really dreadful things going on in this country, like plucking some folks off the streets and spiriting them away to jails in foreign countries without the benefit of due process, or separating parents from their children, are being done in circumvention of our laws and regulations.Our Government has been regulating us beyond belief for many years, and someone keeps saying we're still a "Free' Country.
If you're like most of us, you can still get up in the morning and do what you want and do it with whom you please without looking over your shoulder. In addition, your food, pharmaceuticals, and workplace are safer, your bank deposits are insured, and, at least for the time being, your air and water are relatively clean. Laws and regulations aren't meant to stifle freedom, they're meant to ensure that everyone has a fair shake. Either you make the best of your situation, or you don't.
I'm going to stick with we are still a free country until the Constitution gets repealed. We are "free" as long as the fight continues and right now, we are fighting to get our country back. The struggle is real. Freedom!Our Government has been regulating us beyond belief for many years, and someone keeps saying we're still a "Free' Country.
These days it is very easy to cherry pick information to create a specific narrative without any context to the bigger picture. I believe that China has a much higher rate in traffic deaths per capita than the US which may be a consequence of relaxing regulations and not enforcing laws. In general, I am skeptical about the accuracy of any information that comes out of China, Russia and North Korea.
I guess I need to add that some information about the US is also suspect!
China leads in drone production and in other fields of endeavor because it's pulled itself up by the bootstraps and resolved to become a highly evolved technological powerhouse. Meanwhile, thinking we were the only game in town, we rested on our laurels. Part of China's success, of course, is that it sent its best and brightest to be educated in the US, and those folks have gone back home and applied themselves. They work harder, longer, and leaner than we do.
We should have learned that lesson when W. Edwards Deming, a US statistician and efficiency expert, helped create the "Japanese Miracle" following WWII. Deming had first approached US automakers with his ideas and was rebuffed. Thus, while US auto manufacturers fought every new safety and environmental regulation (seatbelts, catalytic converters, ABS, better fuel economy, and so on), Japanese auto manufacturers embraced them. By so doing, and with far superior quality assurance programs (more emphasis on engineering and less on shiny chrome "styling"), Japan nearly put two US auto companies out of business.
I paid good money for my last American auto in 1971. It was a disaster -- a real lemon. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice didn't happen. VWs and Toyotas ever since, with no regrets. Everything works, and the doors fit.
Another problem we face is that US manufacturers willingly shipped their production and trade secrets offshore in order to exploit cheap labor for greater profits. China didn't steal our jobs or trade secrets; we gave them away. And now, Nvidia has been given the green light to send advanced AI-capable chips to China. Like a whore, Uncle Sam gets a share of the profits, but guess who will benefit more over the longer term?
I believe it was Thomas Friedman who once pointed out that when a genuine one-in-a-million talent emerges in China, it's important for us to realize that there are 1300 others just like him or her.
We should have learned that lesson when W. Edwards Deming, a US statistician and efficiency expert, helped create the "Japanese Miracle" following WWII. Deming had first approached US automakers with his ideas and was rebuffed. Thus, while US auto manufacturers fought every new safety and environmental regulation (seatbelts, catalytic converters, ABS, better fuel economy, and so on), Japanese auto manufacturers embraced them. By so doing, and with far superior quality assurance programs (more emphasis on engineering and less on shiny chrome "styling"), Japan nearly put two US auto companies out of business.
I paid good money for my last American auto in 1971. It was a disaster -- a real lemon. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice didn't happen. VWs and Toyotas ever since, with no regrets. Everything works, and the doors fit.
Another problem we face is that US manufacturers willingly shipped their production and trade secrets offshore in order to exploit cheap labor for greater profits. China didn't steal our jobs or trade secrets; we gave them away. And now, Nvidia has been given the green light to send advanced AI-capable chips to China. Like a whore, Uncle Sam gets a share of the profits, but guess who will benefit more over the longer term?
I believe it was Thomas Friedman who once pointed out that when a genuine one-in-a-million talent emerges in China, it's important for us to realize that there are 1300 others just like him or her.
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