Kilrah
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They probably aren't allowed - but until someone sues them to prove it they will do whatever they want like everybody else. When do you open that lawsuit?
DJI to restrict non-compliant drones at next software update
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Technically I bought mine second hand, "as is" off Craigslist. during the height of the frenzy and paid $1500 for the base unit. I don't have a grounds for a cause of action against DJI.
Frankly, if it prevents idiots from flying these things in highly populated urban locations or in any number of stupid places I've seen posted here and elsewhere and allows stricter control over those that operate these things dangerously, I'm for it.
It's a shame that a minority of morons makes this kind of "parental control" necessary.
I agree with Aduru. I cannot remember when I have ever seen a consumer device handicapped post sale by a forced update.
DJI is following in the traditional footsteps of companies who's egos get so big that they eventually destroy the company.
My next prediction is mass hacking of the firmware. DJI just created a multi million dollar hacking industry by doing this. I suspect at the end of the day most pilots will be loading on cracked firmware and all kinds of basterized Apps.
DJI is following in the traditional footsteps of companies who's egos get so big that they eventually destroy the company.
My next prediction is mass hacking of the firmware. DJI just created a multi million dollar hacking industry by doing this. I suspect at the end of the day most pilots will be loading on cracked firmware and all kinds of basterized Apps.
Lapeer20m
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It will be fun to watch.
My prediction is that dji is not a forward enough thinking corporation to have built this into earlier versions of the software and this is only in the latest version, or latest 2 versions.
My prediction is that dji is not a forward enough thinking corporation to have built this into earlier versions of the software and this is only in the latest version, or latest 2 versions.
Kilrah
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Every DJI aircraft of the past 2.5 years?
As I said, nobody has taken any action against it, so no reason they would change.
There's that saying that evil only wins when the good guys don't do anything, perfect example here. DJI are in a position where they can literally do anything they want. Not saying it's good, just that this won't change until someone challenges them and hurts them badly enough for them to reconsider. But the way they do business makes it so hard that it's almost pointless, and the only way of action that's left is not to buy their stuff. But their stuff still being the best by far even after that, it won't happen either.
MavicKhan
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If what is coming is what I think I understand it is, they might probably lose at least this customer, in what pertains to repeated business.
I love imaging in general, photography in particular.
I couldn't care less about the RC-flying vector of drones and I waited for 3 to 4 years for the market (DJI) to come up with a drone that met my requirements:
1. Affordable
2. Good video capabilities
3. Compact enough to be carried in my photography backpack.
Now, in the mentioned backpack there's only that much space and the Mavic has now been included at the expense of some additional photography items for my last 2 trips, the first a "proof of concept" test run for this "photography equipment+Mavic" configuration and the second, last March, for the first "operational" sortie - a sortie that was like a dream come true (...in spite of a crash that was totally my fault
)
What is now been proposed to me - if I understand it correctly - is to configure my backpack for future trips, leave photography gear behind that might be necessary to accommodate the Mavic and, once on location in any foreign country, play "Geo Roulette" to see if the Mavic can even get off the ground.
If I understood this correctly, their controlling stance over what can and can't be done with their drones, might even lead to someone planning a trip to, say, Sweden only to find out that nothing happens when "record" is pressed because all aerial filming has been deemed illegal in that country and the software, after checking with the GPS position, activates a "no record" sub-routine.
If things go that way, I might say I had a good 4-months run with this amazing hobby but unfortunately, as DJI drifts closer and closer to Apples' philosophy of "we tell you what to do with what you gave us your money for", I might be forced to give it up and just focus on stills.
MK
(...I would also question the whole legality of taking steps that objectively curtail the operational scope of a device after it has been sold...Will DJI offer me a full refund if I come to the conclusion that the device no longer meets the original requirements i bought it for at the time of the sale?...)
I love imaging in general, photography in particular.
I couldn't care less about the RC-flying vector of drones and I waited for 3 to 4 years for the market (DJI) to come up with a drone that met my requirements:
1. Affordable
2. Good video capabilities
3. Compact enough to be carried in my photography backpack.
Now, in the mentioned backpack there's only that much space and the Mavic has now been included at the expense of some additional photography items for my last 2 trips, the first a "proof of concept" test run for this "photography equipment+Mavic" configuration and the second, last March, for the first "operational" sortie - a sortie that was like a dream come true (...in spite of a crash that was totally my fault
)What is now been proposed to me - if I understand it correctly - is to configure my backpack for future trips, leave photography gear behind that might be necessary to accommodate the Mavic and, once on location in any foreign country, play "Geo Roulette" to see if the Mavic can even get off the ground.
If I understood this correctly, their controlling stance over what can and can't be done with their drones, might even lead to someone planning a trip to, say, Sweden only to find out that nothing happens when "record" is pressed because all aerial filming has been deemed illegal in that country and the software, after checking with the GPS position, activates a "no record" sub-routine.
If things go that way, I might say I had a good 4-months run with this amazing hobby but unfortunately, as DJI drifts closer and closer to Apples' philosophy of "we tell you what to do with what you gave us your money for", I might be forced to give it up and just focus on stills.
MK
(...I would also question the whole legality of taking steps that objectively curtail the operational scope of a device after it has been sold...Will DJI offer me a full refund if I come to the conclusion that the device no longer meets the original requirements i bought it for at the time of the sale?...)
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Kilrah
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Well if that is the case you'd have found it doring your prep, and not taken the Mavic anyway
If they add additional restrictions you'll certainly be able to look them up online first anyway.
I wonder how this will affect people with SFOC's or 107's etc.
Will this restrict legal operators who fly for money who do get permission to fly within say 50 feet of a building?
Or will commercial operators be forced to fly under the recreational rules only?
Recreational rules in Canada are a joke and if this is the case, then bye bye flying a drone for money!
Will this restrict legal operators who fly for money who do get permission to fly within say 50 feet of a building?
Or will commercial operators be forced to fly under the recreational rules only?
Recreational rules in Canada are a joke and if this is the case, then bye bye flying a drone for money!
DJI have already said they are not implementing the current Canadian rules in this update.
Seems to be a lot of over-reaction to this so far based on pretty much nothing...
As far as I can see, based on what has been released about this so far, the only people who should be worried are those who have been blocking GPS reception to prevent the aircraft knowing where it is flying and applying appropriate restrictions.
I'm not sure how well a 'charge-back' or a court case would go if the basis is a complaint that DJI are preventing a flight which would be unlawful in the first place...
Remember, if they go too far in their restrictions they kill their own future sales...
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Why mass hacking if you can just avoid using go4? A few weeks ago i was into a NFZ (not aware of till i took off and forced landing): just for curiosity i tried Litchi and the MP took off like a charm. So if really the MP gets seriously limited by new FW and app, i guess the easiest way is to stop upgrades, both quad and app, or just use Litchi. BTW, i am on .0400 and not planning to upgrade anymore and turned off auto updates on my iphone.
Like I said before, I refused to use the GO4 App for the longest time but eventually it was saying I couldn't fly unless I updated it. I'm sure they'll force you to use the latest app version which in turn will force you to use the latest firmware. Only way to avoid this is to use a smartphone or tablet that never connects to the Internet but how practical is that especially if you like to use the maps.
I was looking at GEO map on DJI's fly safe site DJI - The World Leader in Camera Drones/Quadcopters for Aerial Photography. I live in NYC and there are still a lot places on that map that seem ok with DJI to fly drones. Will this update take into account state and local laws or just be based on the geo maps they provide? I would love to still be able to fly on private property and indoors.
Stuart Wood
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This will be interesting from a contract law perspective (anyone actually read DJI's full T's and C's?) for those who purchased their equipment under a different premise. Not sure you can effectively entice someone to purchase a product under one set of expectations and then arbitrarily change those (limit) expectations without offering some compensation if the use is subsequently limited, unless it is spelled out at the time purchase.
People seem to be reading a lot more into this that is apparent from the DJI statements so far.
All DJI have said is that they want to make sure that geographically you are where you say you are.
They have not announced any changes to the databases, no extensions, no additional restrictions etc.
As long as you are not trying to block the aircraft from knowing where it is, there should be no difference to where you can fly before or after this update...
All DJI have said is that they want to make sure that geographically you are where you say you are.
They have not announced any changes to the databases, no extensions, no additional restrictions etc.
As long as you are not trying to block the aircraft from knowing where it is, there should be no difference to where you can fly before or after this update...
Kilrah
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But there is no point in that since it already knows where it is. No we don't know what it will lead to in practice, but they wouldn't need to change anything if it was not to enforce things that weren't enforced before.
Why does it want my account location? To hardcode my country's limitations somwhere? But isn't that already the case? Then what happens when I travel?
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Ahhh, the trials and tribulations of falling in love with a product that is born out of a Communist country... where rules/laws, "fairness" and basic rights are controlled by a minority. There was a time a-la 1980's when the US would NOT do business/trade with a Communist country period. Perhaps it's time for a US company to step up and take the reigns in the Quad world? Perhaps this the brainchild of a diabolical Chinese company to gather as much data about the locations and details of users lives, details of landscapes and other key data to be used for some other purpose? Or are we blowing this all out of proportion?
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