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Perhaps. The new Executive Order signed yesterday by Trump basically tells the FAA to "get off the BVLOS pot", but what does that mean for hobbyists?

Pure, 100% unadulterated speculation here. This E.O. and it's directive on BVLOS won't have any benefit for hobbyists. The driving force is businesses such as Amazon, UPS and the like. Licensed pilots under 107 may get some relief but it most likely will require filing for approval from the FAA to use BVLOS for specific flights, rather than cart blanch approval. Such is the way of government who generally fight to relinquish any controls unless forced to. Too bad, as many hobbyists (self included) were getting their hopes up.
 
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Perhaps. The new Executive Order signed yesterday by Trump basically tells the FAA to "get off the BVLOS pot", but what does that mean for hobbyists?
As currently written, these new rules (supposedly called Part 108) are directed at the commercial side of things. But as with all 107 regs, they are likely to filter down to the recreational world at some point.
Pure, 100% unadulterated speculation here. This E.O. and it's directive on BVLOS won't have any benefit for hobbyists. The driving force is businesses such as Amazon, UPS and the like.
Incorrect. As someone who has sat on committees with the likes of Amazon and Wing, and still speak to them on occasion at conferences, they do not want exclusivity of the NAS. There needs to be some sort of Unmanned Traffic Management (UTM) system in the U.S. But that doesn't mean 107 or 44809 flyers will have the onus on them to see and avoid.
Licensed pilots under 107 may get some relief but it most likely will require filing for approval from the FAA to use BVLOS for specific flights, rather than cart blanch approval.
This is definitely wrong. The NPRM will have a layered approach. There will be a carveout for long range BVLOS (delivery, inspection, etc.), which will be more hands on from the FAA. But 107 will have their own carve out as well. This will be for flights called Extended VLOS (EVLOS) in the BVLOS Aviation Rulemaking Committee's (ARC) report. As such, 107 Pilots will be given the ability to fly a certain distance (BVLOS ARC defines EVLOS as 3 miles) with more mitigations than standard VLOS flights, but it won't be tied to specific flights.

For instance, if you take a look at my BVLOS waiver (https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/107W-2023-03096_Victor_Moss_CoW.pdf), you'll see it is for all of the NAS, and up to 2 miles. I only asked for two miles, because that's what I'm comfortable with. I disagree with the BVLOS ARC's 3 mile definition.
Such is the way of government who generally fight to relinquish any controls unless forced to. Too bad, as many hobbyists (self included) were getting their hopes up.
This is a defeatist attitude. I can understand it to a point, but the FAA is doing just the opposite of being forced to give up control. Many inside the FAA are fighting to give us more and more freedom in the air. They are pro-drone. But the FAA moves at a glacial speed. And they freely admit it.

This can be frustratingly slow, but it's getting better.

So no, we should look at this EO as a great step forward, and the start of a loosened regulatory environment. We still have a ways to go, and we need to keep an eye on some of the sections of both EOs, but it's an overall positive set of EOs for this industry, whether flying under 107 or 44809.
 
Not sure I understand what would be the difference between 2 , 3 or 5 miles as they all operate at the same risk of a bird strike or flying over people or cars or highways.

I think those of us who have lost a few drones to bird strikes , in my case over the water realize that its a problem without a clear solution as of now unless bird strikes are just very random.

Its funny I always thought I would loose a few drones going up in the worst Storms with rain and wind and lightning and yet it never happened in over a 100 storms now .

But the birds took down my Phantom 4 Pro twice, the mavic 3 Classic and the Mini 3 Pro not to mention how many tmies I had to fly out of harms way. .

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But the birds took down my Phantom 4 Pro twice, the mavic 3 Classic and the Mini 3 Pro not to mention how many tmies I had to fly out of harms way. .

If a bird is going to take down your drone it matter not how far away you are from it you are unlikely to be able to move fast enough to stop it.

Lets be honest how many of us regularly lose sight of out drones even for a few seconds as we look at our screens to see if the video or picture we are taking is correct then look back in the drones direction.
 
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If a bird is going to take down your drone it matter not how far away you are from it you are unlikely to be able to move fast enough to stop it.

Lets be honest how many of us regularly lose sight of out drones even for a few seconds as we look at our screens to see if the video or picture we are taking is correct then look back in the drones direction.
It does make a difference if you can see the drone an the birds as you can negotiate them

When I was in the beginng days of drones making long runs I used to do what they call the Crazy Ivans , just in case I was being followed by birds , than came more cameras thru the sensors and that helped some.


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This honestly made my weekend. 🤣

Didn't they learn the lesson from late last year in NJ? No one is going to accept these in their neighborhood. Please tell me this is not a serious drone delivery method.

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This honestly made my weekend. 🤣

Didn't they learn the lesson from late last year in NJ? No one is going to accept these in their neighborhood. Please tell me this is not a serious drone delivery method.

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That's actually pretty smart from a logistics standpoint. Hard to believe it would be financially practical, though.
 
I mean the FAA already has its hands full managing commercial flights. Now they have to monitor drone activity?

Because they are struggling to recruit and train a new generation of air traffic controllers as a generation of them retire.
 
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